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    Default Leopard: Oct. 26

    It's official, Leopard's release date is Friday, Oct. 26 @6:00 p.m. (PST I presume)

    http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/10/16leopard.html

    Apple Store is taking pre-orders.

    (But with Firefox, the Add to Cart button didn't for me, works fine with Safari, hmmm. )

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    Pretty complete demo on line now:

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/guidedtour/medium.html

    Good stuff!
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    Default Notable (In)compatibilities for Leopard

    Tracking compabilities/incompatibilities and updates for compatibility with 10.5 requires HR that I really can't provide. Check Macintouch and Macfixit for news, and macupdate and versiontracker for Leopard compatibility updates.

    Nonetheless, here are some notable statements of (in)compatibilities I've seen so far for 3d-party software lots of us use and depend on. Except for Micromat the statements of incompatibility or compatibility are from the publisher's sites -- as always your mileage may vary.

    I wasn't meaning to originally but I've included some update news. I'm trying to keep this post updated with latest news.


    Apple - Classic and Classic apps
    The only bit of Apple software I'll mention (lots of updates already). Classic is no more in Leopard; kbase 303137.
    (I didn't know this before I bought my copy; the DA won't be the first up for Leopard since I need a functioning Classic on that machine.)

    May need to check out Sheepsaver for a Classic alternative, but nothing official about using it in Leopard.


    (Disk) Utiltities
    Blanklet comment: Hold off on using any 3d party disk utilities and other utilities (Applejack, cache cleaners, etc.) until you get clear indications from the writers (and even then wait for user feedback if you can) as unclemac said here.

    Alsoft Diskwarrior v4: an excerpt from their support page (use link for full text):
    10/26/2007 DiskWarrior 4.0 will successfully rebuild a disk that has Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard installed or a disk that has been attached to a computer running Leopard.

    However, some operating system functionality has changed within Leopard itself. As such, there are some compatibility issues when running an installed copy of DiskWarrior 4.0 while started up from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Alsoft currently recommends that you do not run DiskWarrior 4.0 while the computer is started from Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.
    Micromat TechTool Pro 4
    Couldn't find anything official on their site; but there was a comment on macfixit 10/26/2007:
    Here's another gentle nudge in the form of a note from Micromat...that reads:
    "The current version of TechTool Pro 4 is not Leopard compatible. We will be releasing an update to support Leopard as soon after Leopard is released as possible. It will be listed on our website when available."

    Shirt Pocket - SuperDuper
    SuperDuper! v2.14 is not compatibile:
    SuperDuper! 2.1.4 is not yet fully Leopard compatible.
    But it won't be long.

    Qdea - Synchronize X Pro
    Synchronize X Pro v5.1.1 update (10/26/2007) brings Leopard compatibility.


    Adobe

    Nice summary on John Nack's blog 10/26/2007:
    The good news is that most Adobe apps don't require updates in order to run well. That is, the CS3 versions of Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and other apps are good to go for Leopard right now. Rock out.

    The CS3-generation applications that require patches are After Effects, Premiere Pro, Encore, and Soundbooth (due to go live in early December), and Acrobat 8/Reader 8 (due in January).
    Update 10/30/2007 The Print-to-PDF printer is broken in Acrobat Pro v8; see Adobe's forum. Also tried with v6 Pro and same deal. Acrobat Pro 8 seems otherwise fine.

    Adobe's official faq (mentioned and linked by Nack) is here; includes a nice chart of Adobe's Leopard state of the art. Regarding older Adobe apps, the faq says:
    While older Adobe applications may install and run on Mac OS X Leopard, they were designed, tested, and released to the public several years before this new operating system became available. You may, therefore, experience a variety of installation, stability, and reliability issues for which there is no resolution. Older versions of our creative software will not be updated to support Mac OS X Leopard.
    That's an ouch for older versions. But before we go bashing big bad Adobe, take a look at what fully-owned Apple subsidiary Filemaker has to say...


    Filemaker
    Greentree_uk mentioned this in another thread. From the FM Leopard compatibility faq:
    FileMaker Pro 9 and FileMaker Pro 9 Advanced generally run on Leopard although there are two known issues [Instant Web Publishing is broken and a language issue (latter fixed with 9.0.2); follow the link for full details.] We are targeting a downloadable update to be available on November 19, 2007, free of charge....

    FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced currently do not deploy properly on Leopard. We are working on Leopard compatibility updates for FileMaker Server 9 and FileMaker Server 9 Advanced but do not have an estimated availability date at this time....

    We have not tested earlier (pre-FileMaker 9) versions of FileMaker software on Mac OS X Leopard and do not intend to release updates for earlier versions.
    Update 11/1/2007: FM Pro (Adv) v9.0.2 update fixes language issue but not Web publishing.


    VMWare Fusion

    VMware has released Fusion 1.1RC beta:
    VMware Fusion 1.1 Release Candidate works well on pre-release versions of Mac OS X Leopard. VMware will be testing the final release version of Mac OS X Leopard as soon as it is publicly available on 10/26...
    Time machine can cause issues with RC beta; see post in this thread.

    Update 11/12/2007. Fusion v1.1 (build 62573) non-beta is Leopard compatible, release notes. Nothing specific about time machine in the notes.

    Quark - Xpress
    Added 11/1/2007 - Macworld has info about Quark v7 and v6. v7.3 is ok with exception of Flash export in Quark Interactive designer. v6.5 is not compatible.


    Mark/Space - Missing Sync
    Added 10/30/2007 Compatibility faq - only Missing Sync for Blackberry so far, all others need an update.
    Update 11/12/2007 - some betas released for Leopard.


    MacFuse/NTFS-3G
    MacFuse v1.00 was released on 10/26/2007, same day as Leopard. There are now Tiger and Leopard versions, which probably due in part to Apple's moving the filesystems directory from /System/Library/Filesystem (in Tiger) to /Library/Filesystems (in Leopard).

    Update 11/1/2007 - NTFS-3G v1.004
    continues to be updated with users testing it in Leopard with/without MacFuse v1.00. Check carefully the comments on the blog for details.
    Update 11/8/2007 - MacFuse v1.1 was released, which seems to resolve some issues with latest releases of NTFS-3G in Leopard (and Tiger). But it's with this combo...


    Marcel Bresink Software-Systeme - TinkerTool, Hardware Monitor, etc.
    Compatibility statement for all software.

    Update 11/8/2007 TinkerTool v3.8 and TinkerTool System v1.8 Leopard compatible.
    Hardware Monitor v4.3 and Temperature Monitor v4.3 updates (10/26/2007) and their associated widgets bring compatibility.


    CharlesSoft - Pacifist
    Pacifist v2.5 update
    (10/25/2007) brings Leopard compatibility and support for Leopard's new package format. So even in Tiger, v2.5 is needed to examine and extract Leopard packages.


    Alessandro Levi Montalcini - USBOverdrive
    USBOverdrive v10.2.8 update (10/26/2007) brings Leopard compatibility and (finally) support for Bluetooth devices.


    Plentycom Systems - SteerMouse
    Steermouse v3.8 update (10/25/2007) brings Leopard compatibility to this USBOverdrive alternative.
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    I ran the Leopard update on my G5 Quad last night. Pretty slick interface. So far I haven't found anything broken, but I haven't pushed on any third party hardware yet. A few applications have displayed strangely, other than that smooth sailing.

    This evening I will attach some SATA host cards and RAID cards and see what happens.

    Looks like TimeMachine is not limited to using any particular drive type. Good news that SATA external drives will work just as well as Firewire.

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    Default I updated to Leopard

    ..update a test disk that is. Today was the day I cloned 10.4.10 to a FW800 external, and then upgraded that to Leopard. (SuperDuper! to the rescue for the clone, since Disk Utility's Restore didn't work.)

    Things running reasonable well. Some things I noticed after the update:
    • Airport Networks weren't retailed. But some other Network settings were o.k., e.g VPN
    • Printers weren't saved either, had to add those back. But there's no more dedicated Printer Setup Utility (in the Utilities folder). You've gotta work through the Print&FAx System Preference.
    • There's now a Guest User installed by default for sharing as well as login -- although by default the login option isn't selected.
    Lots of little changes here and there. Don't mind the new iTunes style Finder at all, in fact I think I like. The transparent menu bar as many have mentioned is bad -- for me legibility of the menu bar dictated the desktop. Speaking of which, not sure I like the default galaxy desktop image.

    Been doing a bit of testing of some apps, an update (some of which I updated my earlier post):

    1. Filemaker 8 Advanced seems o.k. No heavy testing but it launchs and I added and deleted records w/o issue.

    2. Adobe Acrobat v8 Pro only downside is the broken Adobe PDF Printer.

    3. Missing Sync for Palm is broken in Leopard.

    4. Hide was broken in Indesign CS3 until I trashed the prefs; found out about the prob and solution at the Adobe Forums.

    Probably a good thing to bear in mind about trying trashing prefs after doing an update since you're working with previous preference files. First time I've done an major version update of an OS in years.

    A quick check of 3d party apps hasn't show any major problems, e.g. apps that just won't launch. Athough I'm not firing up Fusion until the real update comes out.

    In fact, watching the logs today helped me figure out why my CardIris business card reader was a doorstop until now -- even under Tiger. A conflict with Twain Sane, which I installed because Acrobat v8 only likes scanner drivers that are universal binaries, which Epson doesn't have for mine.

    Not sure yet when I'll take the main drive in the MBP to Leopard. If some of these updates come out soon, I may go for broke, and grin & bear it with a broken Adobe Print PDF.

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    Macfixit has a 3d-party incompatibility report for Leopard, which I hope stays around and doesn't require a subscription.

    Macintouch linked a article by Heise Security about changes to Leopard's firewall, which seem not for the better. Worth taking a look.

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    Default Finally Adobe Acrobat Pro!

    Been awhile since I posted to this thread. But lots of updates that have come out recently for Leopard. The updates below completes the original list (and the later comments I added). Biggest block of my updating to Leopard is first on the list:


    Adobe Acrobat Pro v8.1.2
    I don't see it yet (at time of posting) on Adobe's CS update page but Adobe Acrobat Pro v8.1.2 is listed on Versiontracker and Macupdate. Looks like it finally fixes the broken Print to pdf in Leopard. Sweet!

    Filemaker Pro (Advanced) and Filemaker Pro Server
    There are Leopard fixes for the on the FM downloads page.
    • FileMaker Pro 9.0v3 and FileMaker Pro 9.0v3 Advanced for Leopard
    • FileMaker Server 9.0v3 and Server 9.0v3 Advanced for Leopard
    • FileMaker Pro 8.5v2 and FileMaker Pro 8.5v2 Advanced
    Superduper v2.5
    Kaye's following/testing this update here.

    Quark Interactive Designer v1.0.2

    Mark/Space Products - Missing Sync
    Missing Syncs for Palm, Windows Mobile, Blackberry, and PSP have final releases for Leopard.

    Diskwarrior v4.1
    v4.1 is Leopard compatible and shipping. Note the following for those of us with v4.0:
    Owners of DiskWarrior 4 version 4.0 will soon be able to download a free CD updater. When available, this free updater will allow you to create a new startup CD containing the updated DiskWarrior application. Please note that the new startup CD will start up the same set of Macs as your current DiskWarrior CD. Your new CD will not start up any Mac that your current DiskWarrior CD can not.
    All Mac models meeting the system requirements for DiskWarrior except the new Mac Pro and Xserve models introduced on 01/08/2008 and the MacBook Air introduced on 01/15/2008 can be started from the CD.
    This free CD updater will do the trick on my Macs. I don't have any of those new January Mac; for those models, you have to order an update CD.

    TechTool Pro v4.6.1
    Missed this one way back. Unlike DW, there is no downloadable update for this. You've got to order a DVD if you already own TTP v4.

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    Running 10.5.2 on the home DA, with all available software updates. Need to test more, but everything is good so far.
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    Made for more than a busy weekend upgrading the MBP to Leopard, espcially with my bandwidth worse than dial-up. I always forget how much longer it takes to reinstall the all the apps from scratch them update them. I should probably create disc images of some of these to speed up the reinstall.

    I did a wipe and reinstall; and cherry-picked a few bits here and there to save time. It's almost there -- just a few apps to reinstall -- then I clone this install.
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    Default Needing to know more about cloning / coping existing OSXes, CD's, DVD's

    I did a wipe and reinstall; and cherry-picked a few bits here and there to save time. It's almost there -- just a few apps to reinstall -- then I clone this install.
    I am working on a similar project. What are the pros / cons of copying or cloning?

    A. Apples restore.
    B. Super Duper.
    C. A .dmg -- OK, I have created these but where do you keep them?
    Other
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    Randy,

    Apple's restore worked at one point (probably 10.2-3), replacing CCC as my main cloner. But it failed me on several occasions under 10.4 producing unbootable clones. Based on kaye's SuperDuper! thread, I tried it out and have used that since, even producing my last two clones of 10.4.

    I'm not sure that creating directly a dmg from a OS X partition, then trying to restore it will work. But you can use SuperDuper! to create a dmg during the clone; you should be able to clone that back but never tried myself. I haven't checked SD, but I know CCC will create a dmg that you can use with Apple's Restore -- so you can boot from the DVD, launch Disk Utiity and then restore from the created dmg. (But depends on whether Restore can at least function in that setting -- it used to.) Again haven't checked with SuperDuper! CCC had a specific option for that.

    I used SuperDuper to create a dmg of the full 10.4.11 MBP HD, which is sitting on the DA. I also store them on FW drives. If you have the time, I think you can compress them as well to save space -- it takes time since you're basically re-creating another smaller disc image.

    I also cloned to 2.5" portable FW drive without iTunes music to speed up the clone. Thereafter I wiped and reinstalled. If I had the space, I probably would have tried an Archive and Install, but it would have been too tight. Backup on the FW lets me grab app support folders, prefs, setting files, etc. for certain apps -- although I installed all the apps from scratch. It also let me boot back into 10.4 if I needed to, e.g. fetch the IPs of network printers at work. Apple changed the printing again, so you have to redo them in Leopard even if you upgrade.

    Apple changed the permission structure yet again in Leopard. So part of my approach was to get a new /Users and home directory; I copied my docs from the FW into the new directory. That way the permissions are right.

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    eric, Thanks that clears up some questions and confirms others. SuperDuper has been working good for me. I have the time and enough space to test a lot of this. I need to learn it. I need to just jump in. I keep thinking I'll screw something up. But I have enough spare drives and/or space to cover my buns.

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    Coming up on a week since I started the erasing of everything, and reinstalling from scratch. Always takes longer than I think. Some observations.

    0. Purple Aurora
    Start with the important things first. What's up with that purple aurora login background, default desktop? I had to change that pronto, and stumbled upon the fact that Leopard Server uses a Blue Aurora -- just had to use that instead. I've got nothing against the color purple (no pun intended with the book/movie), but blue has a long history with OS X.

    1. Applications. Worth the wait for critical apps, with some seeing more than one update. Of course paid updates for some:
    • Font Agent Pro (but v4 is much faster w/new useful features and GUI tinkering)
    • Drive Genius
    • TechTool Pro
    Small list for a .1 upgrade for me. I'll probably only pay for the FAP upgrade, speed alone is worth it. Not sure about TTP or Drive Genius.

    Nothing entirely broken. That said two glitches I've seen:
    • Canon's Digital Photo Professional (used for Canon RAW processing) - slow loads, spits out errors in logs when it has focus (shades of Acrobat v6 in Tiger), potential to pollute the logs but it still works.
    • USB Overdrive - can't see battery level with Mighty Mouse wireless or edit the name. Since Apple has improved its driver (for fast tracking), I can live without the heavy button custimizing. USBOverdrive driver seems to be a bit laggy anyway when clicking. So no more USB Overdrive for me.

    2. Permissions

    Apple did something new with the permissions for Leopard, which I haven't yet decided is good or bad.

    From what I've gathered, you no longer have just the classic Unix: user, group, world. But for items, you can add additional users (who are non-owners) and groups from the GetInfo windows giving them different permissions, e.g. RWX.

    Case in point, I had some problems with some Quarks extensions (Xpert Tools), set just as all other QXP Xtensions as:
    Admin: rw
    staff: r
    world: r
    Those extensions need to rw for whoever's using QXP. While troubleshooting this I found you can add additional users/groups to the permissions. So I added my non-Admin account giving it rw, while leaving the original permissions intact (Admin is still the owner). (You can press the little '+' button to add.) You can also select multiple items, and set the permissions like this for all -- I really can't remember if you could do this in Tiger.

    But then curious me wanted to know what happens from the command line. For those items there an indication of 'custom permissions' (which I take it means non-standard Unix perms) there a '+'. Check out this screen shot where I put the Finder window (with 15 items selected), the 'Get Info' window for them, as a well as that directory listing in Terminal. Not sure what that '@' means next to the permissions. I probably need to read the man page to see if there are ways to access these additional users/groups from the command line.



    This will take some getting used to but, it seems in some cases a rather quick and dirty fix for this type of permissions issue.

    3. Overall
    Performance-wise, things do seem faster or on a par with Tiger. I've encountered no major gotcha with 10.5.2. Although I didn't really care for setting up all my printers again -- along with 2 at home, I added 6 for work. (Bonjour would have made it much easier since all of those 6 are HP, but they (along with another 20 or so HP printers) weren't really set up for exploit Bonjour setup, i.e. giving useful Bonjour names so I knew where they were.)

    Speaking of printers, Leopard no longer includes the driver for my Lexmark Optra E310. No biggie, I fetched a copy from my Tiger backup. Works just fine.

    The Finder as unclemac mentioned does seem faster. In general I like the redesign of the Finder with exception of the monochromatic blue folder icons. When you stick those in the Dock; you can't make out any more which is which -- although they appear differently in the sidebar as seen above. 10.5.2 made some useful changes to folders in the Dock that I've got to get used to.

    One other small thing but use feature with the new Finder is ejecting removals with more than one partition. Now you get a dialog box offering you the choice of ejecting all the volumes or just the single one you've selected.

    Lots more exploring to do...
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    More on permissions from the command line. Just check the man page and it has notes about the '@' and '+':
    If the -l option is given, the following information is displayed for each file: file mode, number of links, owner name, group name, number of bytes in the file, abbreviated month, day-of-month file was last modified, hour file last modified, minute file last modified, and the pathname. In addition, for each directory whose contents are displayed, the total number of 512-byte blocks used by the files in the directory is displayed on a line by itself, immediately before the information for the files in the directory. If the file or directory has extended attributes, the permissions field printed by the -l option is followed by a '@' character. Otherwise, if the file or directory has extended security information, the permissions field printed by the -l option is followed by a '+' character.
    I understand the '+' and hence 'extended security information', which means added users/groups with special rwx permissions.

    Not sure what 'extended attributes' are. Hmm....

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    FWIW, permissions in 10.5 suck. Apple decided to make sure that users don't own the folders in their home directory. Even as an admin, try deleting your ~/public or ~/movies folders.

    I am still investigating to see what our options are, but it looks like they are doing this through ACLs which are invisible via the GetInfo window - and 99% of the third party tools out there like Batchmod. Things changed a bit between 10.5.1 and .2 so I need to look at it again.

    Great.

    I spent a bucket of time getting to know permissions back in 10.2. Jazzbo and others really helped; don't claim to know everything, but I have a very comfortable working knowledge of 10.2 to 10.4. But that all goes out the window with 10.5. Back to square one.

    As an example, my work laptop is so jacked up that I have to log in as root to do some things that I am not allowed to do as admin. Moving data from a 10.4 machine to a 10.5 machine can be particularly painful. And repairing permissions does nothing to help.

    So......you've all been warned.
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    FWIW, permissions in 10.5 suck. Apple decided to make sure that users don't own the folders in their home directory. Even as an admin, try deleting your ~/public or ~/movies folders.
    I also noticed that Apple changed the permissions setup of the Home directories again. I think at 10.3 or maybe 10.4, they were:
    user: username rwx
    group: username rwx (rwx I think)
    everyone: nothing
    Essentially Apple had 10.4 (at least) create a group identical to user, those you usually saw on the Home directory and folders within (except for Public and sites).

    Now with Leopard that group is no longer there, all you get in 'Get Info' is:
    user: username rwx
    everyone: nothing
    That group (the same as your username) isn't created at all anymore from what I can tell. Looks like non-Admins are back to being members of 'staff'.

    Duh, I piped the output of ls -la:

    drwxr-xr-x+ 26 eric staff 884 Feb 27 08:59 .
    drwxr-xr-x 6 root admin 204 Feb 17 19:37 ..
    -rw-r--r--@ 1 eric staff 12292 Feb 27 01:18 .DS_Store
    drwx------ 17 eric staff 578 Feb 27 01:18 .Trash
    drwx------+ 27 eric staff 918 Feb 26 19:53 Desktop
    drwx------+ 41 eric staff 1394 Feb 23 16:45 Documents
    drwx------+ 32 eric staff 1088 Feb 27 01:23 Downloads
    drwx------+ 38 eric staff 1292 Feb 22 08:27 Library
    drwx------+ 3 eric staff 102 Feb 17 17:49 Movies
    drwx------+ 3 eric staff 102 Feb 17 17:49 Music
    drwx------+ 26 eric staff 884 Feb 18 13:35 Pictures
    drwxr-xr-x+ 6 eric staff 204 Feb 18 16:46 Public
    drwxr-xr-x+ 5 eric staff 170 Feb 17 17:49 Sites

    Check that out all those folder have the '+' indicating some 'custom' access.

    I performed a wipe and install of Leopard. So I created my user also from scratch, leaving permissions and the home directory as is -- this to insure nothing was whacked with the permissions. Then manually copied my files over from a backup, sticking them in the appropriate folders.

    I see that ~/Public and ~/Movies are owned by me, but there's an OS "override" that prevents me from deleting them. Hmm... rm -rf? Or that get defeated too?
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    Your findings match mine for POSIX perms......plus they added some ACLs. AFAIK the ACLs always take precendent over POSIX perms if both are enabled. Once you kill or modify ACLs you can actually manage your folders again.

    Tuff part is finding a tool that can let a users manage ACLs with a GUI tool. WorkgroupManager does this for 10.4 Server. So far the only tool I have found that can do this with 10.5 is TinkerTool System.

    I have been digging through ACL tweaks so long I have forgotten the default 10.5 settings. I know, write it down first genius!

    Most users may not notice, but big changes.

    At work we use (up through 10.4 anyway....) a bit of a sledgehammer approach that is simple and clear, though it butchers Apple's model for User perms.
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    Tuff part is finding a tool that can let a users manage ACLs with a GUI tool. WorkgroupManager does this for 10.4 Server. So far the only tool I have found that can do this with 10.5 is TinkerTool System.
    I've owned TTS for quite some time. Never touched the ACL tab though -- maybe for good reason.

    I went searching on macupdate for others. Came across a GUI app called Sandbox for editing ACLs. Screen shot looks interesting. However not yet certified for Leopard; so doesn't change your remark about only thing in 10.5 being TTS. But something to keep on eye on?!?

    http://www.mikey-san.net/sandbox/

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    Yup. Played with Sandbox on 10.4. Nice.

    Like TTS even better though for ACLs, maybe just from habit of tweaking ACLs on 10.4 Server for share points. TTS is very close to WGM on 10.4 Server, so it seems simple because of previous experience.

    You can safely drag folders on to sniff out ACLs without making changes with TTS, plus there is an inspection tab that shows effective ACLs per file per user. Give it a peek.
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