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    Very interesting Kaye.
    So it would appear CS2 is really more optimized for G5- at least in comparison to a GigaMDD Dual...

    The results for Step #2 Rotate Canvas really stick out as a possible difference in the way CS2 implements that operation..
    Were your results for step #2 still about 10 seconds on those "sweet spot" tests?

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    The one and only test where Step #2 in CS2 was below about 10s was this one TEST6/CS2-72%-102.3s. It was 7.9s. k

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    Ran several Pshop Test CS2 tests on my G5-2.7DP, set High Performance, 10.4.1, 6GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. Not yet trying for fastest speed, just trying my boot and backup boot internal mobo drives. So there will be a progression as I migrate to a SCSI RAID for scratch. All tests in CS2 are default, including Step 10 Relative Colorimetric, except for RAM assignments as I hunt for an approximate sweet spot for each setup. Test file size 512MB - 2183.5 (all tests).

    TEST1-Primary boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, Users, File Save, Scratch Drive. RAM assigned 70%=2150MB, available 3072MB.
    TEST2-Only difference RAM assigned 100%=3072MB, available 3072MB.
    TEST3-RAM assigned 80%=2457MB, available 3072MB.
    TEST4-RAM assigned 75%=2304MB, available 3072MB.

    With this setup, the sweet spot appears to be between 70-75% RAM assigned.

    TEST5-RAM assigned 70%=2150MB, available 3072MB. Differences from above are File Save and Scratch Drive my backup boot drive, a 250GB WDC WD2500JD-41HBC0-8MB cache drive.

    I had planned 4 tests in this config but the TEST5 results indicate that the WD backup boot drive is too slow to help.

    Progression of TESTs:
    1. Open=9.2s**8.9s**9.2s**9.1s**10.3s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=6.1s**6.1s**6.2s**6.1s **6.0s
    3. Apply Image=3.1s/3.6s**4.5s/6.6s**4.8s/5.5s**4.1s/4.7s**2.8s/3.3s
    4. Save=4.1s**4.1s**4.2s**4.3s**4.1s
    5. Canvas Size=1.1s**4.2s**1.1s**1.1s**1.1s
    6. Auto Color=0.8s/1.2s**0.8s/1.3s**0.8s/1.2s**0.8s/1.2s**0.8s/1.2s
    7. Gaussian Blur=2.8s/3.2s**3.6s/4.2s**2.8s/3.3s**2.8s/3.2s**2.8s/3.3s
    8. Sharpen=1.4s/1.9s**1.5s/1.9s**1.4s/1.9s**1.9s/1.9s**1.4s/1.9s
    9. Save=3.3s**3.5s**3.4s**3.4s**4.1s
    10.Convert to Profile=15.9s/15.9s**15.9s/15.9s**15.9s/15.9s**15.9s/15.9s**15.9s/15.9s
    11.Save=7.3s**7.6s**7.5s**7.3s**8.6s
    12.Convert to RGB=21.3s/21.3s**24.3s/24.3s**21.5s/21.5s**21.3s/21.3s**21.3s/21.3s
    13.Save=6.1s**6.4s**6.0s**6.0s **6.7s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=45.3s**50.6s**47.2s**46.8s**45.0s

    Operations Total=54.3s**64.5s**56.6s**55.4s **54.0s

    LineB. Save Total=20.8s**21.6s**21.1s**21.0s **23.5s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=30.0s**30.5s**30.3s**30.1s**33.8s

    LineD. Test Total=84.3s**95.0s**86.9s**85.5s **87.8s

    The sweet spot for the initial config of everything on the boot drive appears to be between 70-75% available RAM and closer to 70%. k

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    Kaye,
    Have you activated the bigger tiles plugin? See http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/331372.html for info. On my 2.5 dual with 3GB RAM, this plugin shaved significant time on filter and rotate operations. I haven't gone through PStest with CS2 yet, but thought this might help.

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    AD,

    I wasn't aware of that plugin nor do I understand most of the others mentioned on the Pshop Test. So I am running default. But I will try that one and thanks. k

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    Comparing previous TEST1 with Pshop CS2 Bigger Tiles plug-in disabled and TEST6 with it enabled.

    Pshop Test CS2 tests on G5-2.7DP, set High Performance, 10.4.1, 6GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. Not yet trying for fastest speed, just trying my boot and backup boot internal mobo drives. All tests in CS2 are default, including Step 10 Relative Colorimetric. Test file size 512MB - 2183.5 (all tests).

    TEST1-Primary boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, Users, File Save, Scratch Drive. RAM assigned 70%=2150MB, available 3072MB.
    TEST6-Only difference Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled.

    TEST1**TEST6:
    1. Open=9.2s**7.4s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=6.1s**2.9s
    3. Apply Image=3.1s/3.6s**1.3s/1.7s
    4. Save=4.1s**4.2s
    5. Canvas Size=1.1s**1.0s
    6. Auto Color=0.8s/1.2s**0.8s/1.2s
    7. Gaussian Blur=2.8s/3.2s**3.6s/3.9s
    8. Sharpen=1.4s/1.9s**1.6s/1.9s
    9. Save=3.3s**3.4s
    10.Convert to Profile=15.9s/15.9s**15.3s/15.3s
    11.Save=7.3s**7.5s
    12.Convert to RGB=21.3s/21.3s**21.0s/21.0s
    13.Save=6.1s**6.1s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=45.3s**43.6s

    Operations Total=54.3s**48.9s

    LineB. Save Total=20.8s**21.2s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=30.0s**28.6s

    LineD. Test Total=84.3s**77.5s

    Bigger Tiles definitely helps with the Pshop Test in my configuration. Thanks AD. k

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    Glad to be of help, Kaye.

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    Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.1, 6.5GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 70% = 2150MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. Test file size 512MB - 2183.5. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled. 2x UL4D, the one on the 100MHz bus installed but not connected. No other PCI/PCI-X card installed.

    TEST1-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 18GB Cheetah X15.3, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 68.33GB, not journaled, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels.
    TEST2-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, partitioned for 68.97GB, not journaled, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels.
    TEST3-Same as TEST2 except not partitioned, 136.97GB, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels.

    TEST1**TEST2**TEST3:
    1. Open=6.4s**6.0s**6.0s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=2.9s**2.9s**2.9s
    3. Apply Image=1.3s/1.8s**1.3s/1.8s**1.3s/1.8s
    4. Save=3.3s**3.2s**3.2s
    5. Canvas Size=1.0s**1.0s**1.0s
    6. Auto Color=0.8s/1.2s**0.8s/1.2s**0.8s/1.2s
    7. Gaussian Blur=3.6s/3.9s**3.5s/3.8s**3.5s/3.8s
    8. Sharpen=1.6s/1.9s**1.5s/1.9s**1.5s/1.9s
    9. Save=2.7s**2.8s**2.8s
    10.Convert to Profile=15.3s/15.3s**15.4s/15.4s**15.4s/15.4s
    11.Save=4.9s**4.6s**4.6s
    12.Convert to RGB=20.9s/20.9s**20.9s/20.9s**20.9s/20.9s
    13.Save=3.9s**3.7s**3.7s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=43.5s**43.4s**43.4s

    Operations Total=48.9s**48.9s**48.9s

    LineB. Save Total=14.8s**14.3s**14.3s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=21.2s**20.3s**20.3s

    LineD. Test Total=70.1s**69.2s**69.2s

    To specifically address the Step 2, 10, and 12 results in Pshop CS2 v9.0, Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled based on a previous test I did:
    Step 2-Bigger Tiles more than halves the time, 6.1s to 2.9s.
    Step 10-Slight decrease with Bigger Tiles, 15.9s to 15.3s.
    Step 12-Slight decrease with Bigger Tiles, 21.3s to 20.9s.

    More than half of the Test Totals for both RAIDs is Steps 10 and 12 in Pshop CS2.
    X15.3 RAID Test Total 70.1s, Steps 10 and 12 15.3s+20.9s=36.2s
    15KII RAID Test Total 69.2s, Steps 10 and 12 15.3s+20.9s=36.2s

    One last observation, when I shut down for the last time yesterday with the Atlas RAID running, after the G5 was completely shut down, one of the Burly activity LEDs was still lit and did not go out, tho the Granite external LED indicator showed no LEDs on. Don't know what that was all about. Never seen that before with the Atlas drives. The completed Pshop test file was still on the Atlas RAID. Forgot to trash it. Something to investigate later. For me the Atlas drives do need a minute to warm up before starting the G5. k
    Last edited by kaye; 06-20-2005 at 09:05 AM.

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    Thank you very much Kaye.

    I think your results show with a 512MB test file, a pretty small advantage and gain with 4 x Atlas 15k II as opposed to 4 x Cheetah x15.3k. My assumption is the gain would be more substantial if the test file was larger.

    I will try to get some info from Adobe about the apparent slower execution of Convert to CMYK and RGB, and Rotate Canvas. Even if it turns out these functions need better optimization, the field reports generally indicate PS CS2 to be faster overall than PS CS. And the new memory management and addressable capability must certainly be a boon to those routinely working with larger file sizes.

    My Atlases have arrived. Here's hoping their install into my current Burly to replace 4 x x15.3 will not show that same slight write deficiency...which would mean I've got a problem with the cables or UL4.

    I also have 8 GB PC3200 25330 RAM due to arrive; looking forward to testing with larger files.

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    So what typical file sizes do you work with? And what typical max file sizes? I look forward to a larger test file size. Or more Saves with the existing Pshop Test.

    Very curious to learn what Adobe sez. I looked thru their website yesterday, tons of complaints about Pshop CS2 but could not find any specifically relating to Steps 10 and 12 slowness. As you said however, overall Pshop CS2 is faster judging by the answers from users and forum Techs.

    You have your work cut out for you installing the Atlases and RAM. Good luck. I have to get to the APC UPS installation and go to the gum surgeon today for a followup look see of his handiwork. Hate going. k

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    When I was first working out the details of PshopTest, I was including a chart of test file sizes and their respective resolutions for the "Image Size" dialog. I'll send this along to you. For the next iteration of PshopTest, I will probably suggest 4 test file sizes, which will include a large-format (.psb) test file size. This should allow for definitive tests with large amounts of installed RAM, and more clearly show the benefits and differences of our faster scratch disks, and useful comparisons between SATA and SCSI scratch disks.

    My own personal work varies widely in file size. I sometimes scan transparencies which initially result in files over 1GB. Some typical art projects can balloon to 3 or 400MB before flattening. Then there is a bunch of photo work which ususally stays under 100MB. I'm thinking that in some ways, the standard PshopTest 512MB test file actually approximates working at much smaller sizes since their are no additional layers in the test file, and .psd or .tif files with layers take substantially longer to save than flattened files.

    Re steps #10 & 12: The first order of business for me is establishing a contact within Adobe who is willing to answer these and other more technical questions; I'm working on that one...

    Hope all goes well at the doctor's.

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    Got the chart. Sweet. I chose the biggest blast, 1.50GB-3780 Resolution. Got the test file size created and will rerun the X15.3 and 15KII test comparison with Pshop CS2. Take a couple of days probably depending on what the knife surgeon does to me today. Plus I have a lot to do tomorrow.

    One note in CS2, Image Size, there is an additional checkbox besides Constrain Proportions and Resample Image (Bicubic is the resampling method). New checkbox is Scale Styles. All three checkboxes are checked by default. I did not uncheck Scale Styles but have no idea what that does, not that it matters. I just keep track of the seconds. k

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    Except for test file size, these tests were run the same way. Reminds me of my first Pshop test with the GigaMDD, everything working very hard.

    Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.1, 6.5GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 70% = 2150MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled. 2x UL4D, the one on the 100MHz bus installed but not connected. No other PCI/PCI-X card installed.

    TEST4-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 18GB Cheetah X15.3, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 68.33GB, not journaled, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels.
    TEST5-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, partitioned for 68.97GB, not journaled, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels.
    TEST6-Same as TEST5 except not partitioned, 136.97GB, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels.

    TEST4**TEST5**TEST6:
    1. Open=17.6s**16.8s**16.9s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=8.7s**10.3s**8.5s
    3. Apply Image=6.5s/12.5s**6.5s/12.6s**6.5s/12.6s
    4. Save=7.1s**6.8s**6.9s
    5. Canvas Size=7.5s**7.6s**7.6s
    6. Auto Color=5.3s/11.3s**5.3s/10.1s**5.3s/10.1s
    7. Gaussian Blur=12.3s/18.8s**14.0s/20.0s**13.7s/19.2s
    8. Sharpen=7.6s/12.5s**9.3s/14.7s**7.6s/12.4s
    9. Save=7.0s**6.6s**6.5s
    10.Convert to Profile=43.6s/51.6s**43.6s/49.7s**44.1s/50.4s
    11.Save=17.9s**16.3s**16.2s
    12.Convert to RGB=64.4s/66.7s**64.4s/66.8s**64.4s/66.6s
    13.Save=12.3s**11.3s**11.6s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=139.7s**143.1s**141.6s

    Operations Total=189.6s**191.8s**187.4s

    LineB. Save Total=44.3s**41.0s**41.2s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=61.9s**57.8s**58.1s

    LineD. Test Total=251.5s**249.6s**245.5s

    NOTE that for every step, the Burly LEDs were operating. RAID doesn't start immediately in all steps but obviously when real RAM is full, the drives do the work. More RAM would help. Temp file size reaches an approximate max of 18.19GB. Not seen the RAID operate for other than open and save before with the 512MB-2183.5 file.

    Once again when I shut down for the last time today with the Atlas RAID running, after the G5 was completely shut down, one of the Burly activity LEDs was still lit and did not go out, tho the Granite external LED indicator showed no LEDs on. The completed Pshop test file was trashed on the Atlas RAID this time. However the previous file left on the Atlas RAID was still good tho big and trashed before installing a new file. k

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    This Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.2, 6.5GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. Both tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 70% = 2150MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled. 2x UL4D. No other PCI/PCI-X card installed.

    Comparing my previous fastest test, TEST6 in 10.4.1 with my latest config and 10.4.2.

    TEST6-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 136.97GB, not journaled, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels, 10.4.1.

    TEST7-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II on UL4D 133MHz slot and 4x 18GB Cheetah X15.3 on UL4D 100MHz slot, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 136.61GB, not journaled, 4-channels, 10.4.2.

    TEST6**TEST7:
    1. Open=16.9s**16.8s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=8.5s**8.4s
    3. Apply Image=6.5s/12.6s**6.8s/13.5s
    4. Save=6.9s **6.9s
    5. Canvas Size=7.6s**7.5s
    6. Auto Color=5.3s/10.1s**5.6s/10.6s
    7. Gaussian Blur=13.7s/19.2s**12.2s/18.2s
    8. Sharpen=7.6s/12.4s**7.7s/12.7s
    9. Save=6.5s**6.5s
    10.Convert to Profile=44.1s/50.4s**43.2s/47.1s
    11.Save=16.2s**16.0s
    12.Convert to RGB=64.4s/66.6s**63.5s/65.9s
    13.Save=11.6s**11.0s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=141.6s**139.0s

    Operations Total=187.4s**183.9s

    LineB. Save Total=41.2s**40.4s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=58.1s**57.2s

    LineD. Test Total=245.5s**241.1s

    NOTE that for every step, the Burly LEDs were operating. RAID doesn't start immediately in all steps but obviously when real RAM is full, the drives do the work. More RAM would help. Temp file size reaches an approximate max of 18.19GB. Not seen the RAID operate for other than open and save before with the 512MB-2183.5 file.

    Previous problem with one of the Atlas RAID Burly LEDs remaining on after the G5 was completely shut down no longer occurs in 10.4.2. k

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    This Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 70% = 2150MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled. 2x UL4D. No other PCI/PCI-X card installed.

    Comparing my previous fastest test, TEST6 in 10.4.1, TEST7 in 10.4.2, with my latest config, TEST8 and TEST9, and 10.4.2.

    TEST6-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 136.97GB, not journaled, on UL4D 133MHz bus, 2-channels, 10.4.1, 6.5GB RAM.

    TEST7-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II on UL4D 133MHz slot and 4x 18GB Cheetah X15.3 on UL4D 100MHz slot, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 136.61GB, not journaled, 4-channels, 10.4.2, 6.5GB RAM.

    TEST8-Same as TEST7 except 8.0GB RAM.

    TEST9-Same as TEST8 except TEST FILE SIZE 512MB - 2183.5.

    TEST6**TEST7**TEST8**TEST9:
    1. Open=16.9s**16.8s**16.5s**6.0s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=8.5s**8.4s**8.4s**2.8s
    3. Apply Image=6.5s/12.6s**6.8s/13.5s**6.9s/13.9s**1.4s/1.9s
    4. Save=6.9s **6.9s**7.0s**3.2s
    5. Canvas Size=7.6s**7.5s**6.9s**1.0s
    6. Auto Color=5.3s/10.1s**5.6s/10.6s**5.4s/10.2s**0.8s/1.2s
    7. Gaussian Blur=13.7s/19.2s**12.2s/18.2s**12.0s/17.5s**3.1s/3.4s
    8. Sharpen=7.6s/12.4s**7.7s/12.7s**7.7s/12.7s**1.6s/1.9s
    9. Save=6.5s**6.5s**6.5s**2.6s
    10.Convert to Profile=44.1s/50.4s**43.2s/47.1s**43.2s/47.0s**15.4s/15.4s
    11.Save=16.2s**16.0s**15.7s**4.7s
    12.Convert to RGB=64.4s/66.6s**63.5s/65.9s**63.3s/65.6s**21.0s/21.0s
    13.Save=11.6s**11.0s**10.9s**3.7s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=141.6s**139.0s**138.5s**43.3s

    Operations Total=187.4s**183.9s**182.2s**48.6s

    LineB. Save Total=41.2s**40.4s**40.1s**14.2s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=58.1s**57.2s**56.6s**20.2s

    LineD. Test Total=245.5s**241.1s**238.8s**68.8s

    NOTES/Conclusions:
    1. Comparing LineD. Test Totals, the addition of 4 more drives to TEST7-9 and 8GB RAM in TEST8-9 from 6.5GB may not be worth the savings in time depending on the typical file sizes you use.
    2. TEST9 in particular with the smaller file size showed almost no decrease from my previous TEST2 and TEST3 of 4x Atlas drives and 6.5GB RAM LineD. Test Total of 69.2, a drop of only 0.4s with twice the drives and 1.5GB more RAM.
    3. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled does make a difference. Not sure if it is both or just Spotlight but after running TEST8, I ran another test with both enabled just to see if there was any difference and there was, 241.0s or 2.2s slower, negating the benefits of the additional 1.5GB of RAM I added.
    4. Another experiment, since I started working with the big TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780, initially I was curious about where this file was located, outer tracks or where. Using Drive Genius I took a look and it was not close to the outer tracks. So each time I have optimized the RAID for the big file. The file is never in the same place after copying to the RAID. I can't see a pattern. But if the file is not optimized before running the Pshop test there is a time penalty. For the experiment I ran, the penalty was 1.7s additional time compared to LineD TEST8. With the smaller file, there is no measurable penalty.
    5. With CS2, half or nearly so of the LineD. Test Total is Steps10 and 12.
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    Lightbulb

    Barefeats took a look at some dual core, dual cpu, Intel systems against a couple of G5s.
    http://www.barefeats.com/dualcore.html

    Makes you wonder about the wisdom or notion that IBM can't deliver decent enough systems
    but for now, the G5 holds its own in some tests, slightly lags in CS2 (maybe they should have tried with 16GB of RAM

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    Thank you for all the recent PshopTest Kaye.
    Sorry I haven't been around...
    I've been tied up with moving- actually moved to a larger house just up the street, more room to play.

    My fall projects include migrating to Tiger, resolving my strange Atlas/Burly/UL4 "lockup on startup" condition, and updating PshopTest.

    One thing I will say based on all of the recent testing- Adobe has done a great job at making Photoshop CS2 RAM-centric: with a fast dual G5, Tiger, and lots of RAM, a user can now get peak performance with just 2 hard drives; a really fast 4 or 6 drive scratch array now has less overall impact on performance when enough RAM is installed.

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    This Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 70% = 2150MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled. SeriTek/1VE4 (ROM revision 5.1.2.1VE4) in 100MHz slot, 4-channels connected to SATA Burly, 3x Raptor74s, 1x Raptor36. UL4D in 100MHz slot, UL4D in 133MHz slot, nothing connected to either UL4D. Gurus one meter external SATA data cables.

    Comparing with my previous fastest test, TEST8.

    TEST8-File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II on UL4D 133MHz slot and 4x 18GB Cheetah X15.3 on UL4D 100MHz slot, SoftRAID 3.2, 128KB stripe units, 136.61GB, not journaled, 4-channels, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM.

    TEST10- SeriTek/1VE4, 2x Raptor74, SoftRAID 3.2.1, 128KB stripe units RAID0, 138.43GB, not journaled, 2-channels, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM.

    TEST11-Same as TEST10 except 3x Raptor74, 207.67GB, and 3-channels.

    TEST12-Same as TEST11 except 3x Raptor74, 1x Raptor36, 137.82GB, and 4-channels.

    TEST8**TEST10**TEST11**TEST12:
    1. Open=16.5s**18.9s**17.4s**16.6s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=8.4s**11.6s**10.0s**9.4s
    3. Apply Image=6.9s/13.9s**7.0s/16.2s**6.8s/14.8s**6.8s/14.4s
    4. Save=7.0s**7.3s**7.6s**6.8s
    5. Canvas Size=6.9s**8.6s**7.8s**7.6s
    6. Auto Color=5.4s/10.2s**5.7s/10.8s**6.3s/11.0s**5.5s/10.4s
    7. Gaussian Blur=12.0s/17.5s**12.4s/17.2s**12.2s/16.7s**12.5s/18.2s
    8. Sharpen=7.7s/12.7s**7.9s/13.4s**7.8s/12.6s**7.8s/12.9s
    9. Save=6.5s**7.6s**6.5s**6.4s
    10.Convert to Profile=43.2s/47.0s**43.9s/48.7s**45.3s/49.4s**44.6s/48.6s
    11.Save=15.7s**18.7s**16.4s**15.7s
    12.Convert to RGB=63.3s/65.6s**66.1s/68.6s**63.5s/65.9s**63.9s/65.8s
    13.Save=10.9s**13.4s**11.7s**10.8s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=138.5s**143.0s**141.9s**141.1s

    Operations Total=182.2s**195.1s**188.2s**187.3s

    LineB. Save Total=40.1s**47.0s**42.2s**39.7s

    LineC. Open and Save Total=56.6s**65.9s**59.6s**56.3s

    LineD. Test Total=238.8s**261.0s**247.8s**243.6s

    NOTES:
    1. Love the SeriTek/1VE4, SR3.2.1, the SATA Burly, and the ease of the external cabling. Bulletproof.
    2. Cannot optimize with Drive Genius v1.1.5. Sees the drives but will not see the volume for optimizing. Worked previously with SCSI drives and SoftRAID. So I created 2x Raptor74s with AppleRAID and the same 128KB SU and Drive Genius will optimize the volume. Created 1x Raptor74 with SoftRAID and again Drive Genius does not see the volume. Will send a report to SoftRAID. Both of my boot internal SATA drives, Tiger Disk Utility, do also optimize with Drive Genius.
    3. TEST12 would of course been faster with a fourth Raptor74 instead of the Raptor36.
    k

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    Mark James of SoftRAID quickly answered my email about SoftRAID initialized SATA volumes not working with Drive Genius.
    I reminded them at MacWorld, but need to again. It is their issue, to recognize the SoftRAID partition map. It should not be able to repartition, or any of those things, but simple "repairs" is no issue for them. I do send them SoftRAID, so it is obvious that the engineers are not getting it.

    thanks for the alert. ;-)

    The box said 'Requires Windows 95, or better.' So I bought a Macintosh.

    Mark James
    SoftRAID, LLC
    Looks like I need to get on Prosoft Engineering's case. k

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    Default Photoshop CS vs Photoshop CS2 with PshopTest

    Is Photoshop CS2 faster than Photoshop CS?

    You betch your sweet registers it is- and by quite a bit.

    To prove this, I took a break from the artwork and ran 9 PshopTests over the last two days; three with the 512MB test file, and six with the 1536MB (1.5GB) test file. The results show a dramatic speed improvement with CS2 over CS- provided substantial installed RAM is available to Photoshop and the OS.

    The test machine is an original G5 Dual 2GHz running Mac OS10.3.9 with 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptor internal drives formatted as a single Apple RAID 0 volume of 138.5GB, with 109.7GB available, and 28.8GB used. Installed RAM is 8GB of PC3200U-25330 400MHz DDR SDRAM.
    The AGP card is an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Special Edition 256MB VRAM.
    An ATTO UL4D running driver version 3.4.0 is installed in PCI slot #4 (133MHz).
    Attached to the card- two drives per channel- in an external Burly enclosure, are four 37GB Atlas 15K II SCSI drives formatted with SoftRAID3.2 as a single RAID 0 (128k stripe-size) volume of 137GB, with136.3GB available, and 649.5MB used.
    This volume was used as the designated Work Disk/Scratch Disk in tests #8 and #9.

    PshopTest #1: 512MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 70% (1169MB of 1670MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 46.5s
    Save Total: 18.5s
    Open & Save Total: 28.8s
    Test Total: 75.3s
    Re-draw Average: 0.483s

    PshopTest #2: 512MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 70% (2150MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 42.4s
    Save Total: 18.7s
    Open & Save Total: 28.9s
    Test Total: 71.3s
    Re-draw Average: 0.233s

    PshopTest #3: 512MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (1669MB of 1669MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 40.8s
    Save Total: 18.8s
    Open & Save Total: 29.3s
    Test Total: 70.1s
    Re-draw Average: 0.266s

    PshopTest #4: 1536MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 70% (1168MB of 1669MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 566.9s
    Save Total: 181.3s
    Open & Save Total: 218.1s
    Test Total: 785.0s
    Re-draw Average: 23.76s

    PshopTest #5: 1536MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 70% (2150MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 213.0s
    Save Total: 57.5s
    Open & Save Total: 84.8s
    Test Total: 297.8s
    Re-draw Average: 6.516s

    PshopTest #6: 1536MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (1670MB of 1670MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 490.7s
    Save Total: 96.1s
    Open & Save Total: 127.7s
    Test Total: 618.4s
    Re-draw Average: 21.75s

    PshopTest #7: 1536MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (3072MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 159.4s
    Save Total: 52.2s
    Open & Save Total: 78.2s
    Test Total: 237.6s
    Re-draw Average: 3.416s

    PshopTest #8: 1536MB test file size. System and Users on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used. Test file and designated scratch disk is the 4 x Atlas 15K II striped RAID 0 volume of 137GB, with136.3GB available, and 649.5MB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (1667MB of 1667MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 293.7s
    Save Total: 68.8s
    Open & Save Total: 91.6s
    Test Total: 385.3s
    Re-draw Average: 11.6s

    PshopTest #9: 1536MB test file size. System and Users on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.5GB, 109.7GB available, 28.8GB used. Test file and designated scratch disk is the 4 x Atlas 15K II striped RAID 0 volume of 137GB, with136.3GB available, and 649.5MB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (3072MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 156.9s
    Save Total: 52.4s
    Open & Save Total: 73.1s
    Test Total: 230.0s
    Re-draw Average: 3.05s

    ----------

    Some conclusions and thoughts....

    1. Photoshop CS2 whips Photoshop CS in every test, and really pulls way ahead in larger test file sizes. Clearly, the much greater RAM access is the key factor.

    2. The last two tests show the big advantage of a really fast Work Disk/Scratch Disk for both versions, particularly CS.

    3. if you've got plenty of RAM for the OS, max out Photoshop at 100% RAM allocation. Yes, there is a slight penalty in Open and Save times, but an overall speed increase is the result.
    Last edited by Boots; 09-29-2005 at 02:31 PM.

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