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    That is really sweet Boots and obviously a lot of work. At some point I will have to retry Pshop CS2 at 100% in Tiger. Crystal clear that 100% is Da Bomb and shows how little I know. k

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    Once I get Tiger installed, I'll be testing again. I expect an even better score on the 1.5GB test file because of the Tiger-enabled PSCS2 RAM caching routine....

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    Boots, Thanks for posting the test results. AND for putting to bed the myth that you need Tiger along with CS2 to utilize the extra RAM. Because of the barefeats postings months back there has been lots of misinformation on the web indicating you must upgrade to 10.4 to reap the RAM benefits in CS2. Adobe's engineers have indeed stated it is CS2 that is finally making use of OS caching with unused RAM, but time and again people attribute this benefit to 10.4. Now, off to buy some more RAM...

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    Holy cow what a difference with Pshop at 100%.

    This Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 100% = 3072MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled. SeriTek/1VE4 (ROM revision 5.1.2.1VE4) in 100MHz slot, 4-channels connected to SATA Burly, 3x Raptor74s, 1x Raptor36. UL4D in 100MHz slot, UL4D in 133MHz slot, nothing connected to either UL4D. Gurus one meter external SATA data cables.

    TEST13- File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 3x Raptor74, 1x Raptor36, 137.82GB, and 4-channels, SoftRAID 3.2.1, 128KB stripe units RAID0, not journaled, 4-channels, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM.

    TEST13:
    1. Open=16.3s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=8.8s
    3. Apply Image=5.0s/8.3s
    4. Save=7.6s
    5. Canvas Size=5.4s
    6. Auto Color=3.1s/5.2s
    7. Gaussian Blur=10.1s/12.7s
    8. Sharpen=5.5s/7.9s
    9. Save=6.4s
    10.Convert to Profile=40.5s/43.3s
    11.Save=13.5s
    12.Convert to RGB=60.9s/61.9s
    13.Save=10.8s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=125.1s
    Operations Total=153.5s
    LineB. Save Total=38.3s
    LineC. Open and Save Total=54.6s
    LineD. Test Total=208.1s
    Re-draw Average=2.37s
    k

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    AND for putting to bed the myth that you need Tiger along with CS2 to utilize the extra RAM.
    Well A.D., I certainly was one of those meekly following along with that edict until I did these tests....

    I'll be installing Tiger later today and once I get organized, we can see what difference it makes with the large test file size...
    I'll have more or less the same setup; striped Raptor boot and about the same amount of files on disk, so it should b a reasonably close comparison.

    And- as one member has suggested- does CS and CS2 run slower under Tiger than Panther? That will be an important question to answer.

    Holy cow what a difference with Pshop at 100%.
    That is one kick-ass PshopTest score Kaye. I can only imagine what you'd get with the 8x SCSI drives used as a WorkDisk/ScratchDisk

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    Boots, the SCSI tests will be awhile. But I will get to them. I did notice from your post that there is a new driver version 3.4.0 for UL4D. So I updated the UL4Ds to that last night. k

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    This Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 100% = 3072MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 1.5GB - 3780. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled.

    TEST13- (previous test for comparison) File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 3x Raptor74, 1x Raptor36, 137.82GB, and 4-channels, SoftRAID 3.2.1, 128KB stripe units RAID0, not journaled, 4-channels, 10.4.2, 8.0GB RAM. SeriTek/1VE4 (ROM revision 5.1.2.1VE4) in 100MHz slot. Gurus one meter external SATA data cables. UL4D in 100MHz slot, UL4D in 133MHz slot, nothing connected to either UL4D.

    TEST14- All same as above except File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II, partitioned 67.97GB, on UL4D 133MHz slot, 2-channels. UL4D and SeriTek/1VE4 in 100MHz slots nothing connected. In the past, partitioning these drives proved to be slower in the big file Pshop Test but I wanted to try again, but still slower.

    TEST15- Same as above except not partitioned, 136.97GB.

    TEST16- Same as above except Apple RAID, now closer in performance to SoftRAID, 136.93GB.

    TEST13**TEST14**TEST15**TEST16:
    1. Open=16.3s**16.0s**16.2s**16.2s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=8.8s**8.1s**8.0s**8.1s
    3. Apply Image=5.0s/8.3s**6.0s/9.1s**5.1s/8.4s**5.1s/8.5s
    4. Save=7.6s**7.0s**7.0s**7.0s
    5. Canvas Size=5.4s**6.2s**5.1s**5.1s
    6. Auto Color=3.1s/5.2s**3.1s/5.1s**3.1s/5.2s**3.1s/5.3s
    7. Gaussian Blur=10.1s/12.7s**10.3s/12.9s**10.0s/12.6s**10.1s/13.6s
    8. Sharpen=5.5s/7.9s**5.5s/8.0s**5.5s/8.0s**5.6s/8.0s
    9. Save=6.4s**6.5s**6.5s**6.5s
    10.Convert to Profile=40.5s/43.3s**40.9s/43.6s**40.7s/43.5s**40.4s/43.2s
    11.Save=13.5s**13.6s**13.6s**13.6s
    12.Convert to RGB=60.9s/61.9s**61.1s/62.0s**61.2s/62.2s**61.0s/61.9s
    13.Save=10.8s**10.9s**11.0s**11.0s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Pre-draw=125.1s**126.9s**125.6s**125.3s
    Operations Total=153.5s**155.0s**153.0s**153.7s
    LineB. Save Total=38.3s**38.0s**38.1s**38.1s
    LineC. Open and Save Total=54.6s**54.0s**54.3s**54.3s
    LineD. Test Total=208.1s**209.0s**207.3s**208.0s

    Re-draw Average=2.37s**2.30s**2.37s**2.53s

    My 8x SCSI test will have to wait. k

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    Default Tiger vs Panther with Photoshop CS and Photoshop CS2 Part I

    Does Photoshop run faster or slower under Tiger? Part I

    On the surface- using PshopTest in its present form- it would appear it runs slower. However, when the test details are considered, the opposite is probably true.

    To test this, I tried to closely match the parameters of my tests 1 through 9 which compared Photoshop CS and Photoshop CS2 above.

    I was able to match most things including disk space pretty closely, but I quickly discovered Tiger allows Photoshop CS to 'see' a larger amount of "Available RAM" in Photoshop menu>Preferences>Memory & Image Cache...
    Under Panther, on this test machine with 8GB RAM installed, CS 'sees' about 1670MB "Available RAM". Under Tiger, CS 'sees' about 1735MB.

    This time, I ran 5 PshopTests; two with the 512MB test file, and three with the 1536MB (1.5GB) test file. The results show both CS and CS2 when running under Tiger are at least as fast if not faster then when they are both running under Panther for all test steps except for #10 and #12, which not only run slower in CS2 than in CS, but are also slower when Photoshop CS and CS2 are used with Tiger instead of Panther.

    Why are these two test steps slower? Good question. I need to investigate whether it has something to do with how the colors of the prepared test image are interpreted by CS2; are its colors "seen" by PSCS2 differently than in PSCS? Is this also a system-level ColorSync issue?
    It may be- and I'm hoping- something that can be adjusted in the preferences prior to running PshopTest, perhaps bringing those particular test step results inline. Or it may simply be a case of Photoshop and the OS doing a more thorough or higher-quality job of converting the test image colors in those two test steps.
    Stay tuned.

    Meanwhile, here are the test results. I was able to fairly closely match the amount of disk space used by the startup disk and the Atlas RAID to those parameters in my previous tests with Panther (tests 1 thru 9). When the totals are looked at independent of the individual steps, Tiger fares poorly next to Panther. If one takes test steps #10 and #12 out of the equation, and looks at the individual test step results, the results are quite different.

    For these tests, I did not disable Dashboard, but I did disable Spotlight using Spotlight preferences. Because my testing routine requires erasing the external Atlas RAID when it is to be used as Photoshop's WorkDisk/ScratchDisk, I was careful to first erase, then bring the volume into Spotlight preferences Privacy tab window before dragging a copy of the prepared test file to the volume. As long as a volume is not erased, Spotlight privacy settings are retained through restarts.

    The specs for the test machine in tests 10 thru 14 are almost exactly the same as in tests 1 thru 9:

    The test machine is an original G5 Dual 2GHz running Mac OS10.4.2 with 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptor internal drives formatted as a single Apple RAID 0 volume of 138.2GB, with 108.7GB available, and 29.5GB used. Installed RAM is 8GB of PC3200U-25330 400MHz DDR SDRAM.
    AGP card is Radeon 9800 Pro Special Edition 256MB VRAM.ATI
    An ATTO UL4D running driver version 3.4.0 is installed in PCI slot #4 (133MHz).
    Attached to the card- two drives per channel- in an external Burly enclosure, are four 37GB Atlas 15K II SCSI drives formatted with SoftRAID3.2.1 as a single RAID 0 (128k stripe-size) volume of 137GB, with136.3GB available, and 649.8MB used.
    This volume was used as the designated Work Disk/Scratch Disk in test #14.

    PshopTest #10: 512MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.2GB, 108.7GB available, 29.5GB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (1734MB of 1734MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 61.3s
    Save Total: 18.0s
    Open & Save Total: 27.8s
    Test Total: 89.1s
    Re-draw Average: 0.3s

    PshopTest #11: 512MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.2GB, 108.7GB available, 29.5GB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (3072MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 66.7s
    Save Total: 18.6s
    Open & Save Total: 28.5s
    Test Total: 95.2s
    Re-draw Average: 0.383s


    PshopTest #12: 1536MB (1.5GB) test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.2GB, 108.4GB available, 29.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS with default preferences except Image Cache at 6 and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (1736MB of 1736MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 509.7s
    Save Total: 93.8s
    Open & Save Total: 123.0s
    Test Total: 632.7s
    Re-draw Average: 19.983s


    PshopTest #13: 1536MB test file size. System, Users, File Save and Scratch Disk all on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.2GB, 108.4GB available, 29.8GB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (3072MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 200.8s
    Save Total: 50.3s
    Open & Save Total: 75.4s
    Test Total: 276.2s
    Re-draw Average: 2.25s


    PshopTest #14: 1536MB test file size. System and Users on internal 2 x 73GB WD740 Raptors Apple RAID 0 volume 138.2GB, 108.4GB available, 29.8GB used.
    Test file and designated scratch disk is the 4 x Atlas 15K II striped RAID 0 volume of 137GB, with136.3GB available, and 649.8MB used.

    Photoshop CS2 with default preferences and Bigger Tiles Plug-in enabled and Maximum (memory) Used by Photoshop at 100% (3072MB of 3072MB Available RAM):

    Operations Total: 195.0s
    Save Total: 49.9s
    Open & Save Total: 70.0s
    Test Total: 265.0s
    Re-draw Average: 2.183s
    Last edited by Boots; 09-29-2005 at 03:15 PM.

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    Default Tiger vs Panther with Photoshop CS and Photoshop CS2 Part II

    Does Photoshop run faster or slower under Tiger?

    On the surface- using PshopTest in its present form- it would appear it runs slower. However, when the test details are considered, the opposite is probably true.

    If we compare the test details from the fastest tests in Panther & Tiger:

    First, using the 512MB test file....

    Test #3: Panther, PSCS, 512MB test file, System, Users, File Save, and Scratch on same volume, 100% memory (1669MB).
    Test #10: Tiger, PSCS, 512MB test file, System, Users, File Save, and Scratch on same volume. 100% memory (1734MB).

    Test3**Test10**

    Test step #1 Open=10.5s**9.8s
    Test step #2 Rotate Canvas=3.8s**3.4s
    Test step #3 Apply image=2.1s**2.0s
    Test step #4 Save=4.3s**4.1s
    Test step #5 Canvas size=1.2s**1.2s
    Test step #6 Auto color=1.2s**1.3s
    Test step #7 Guassian Blur=4.0s**4.0s
    Test step #8 Sharpen=2.1s**2.2s
    Test step #9 Save=3.5s**3.3s
    Test step #10 Convert to Profile=11.1s**18.4s
    Test step #11 Save=6.1s**5.9s
    Test step #12 RGB Color=15.3s**28.8s
    Test step #13 Save=4.9s**4.7s

    Pre-draw Total=34.5s**55.2s
    Operations Total=40.8s**61.3s
    Save Total=18.8s**18.0s
    Open & Save Total=29.3s**27.8s
    Test Total=70.1s**89.1s

    Re-draw average=0.266s**0.300s

    Comparing test 3 and test 10, we see that indeed, test steps #10 and #12 show a major difference. Those steps execute much more slowly in CS under Tiger than in CS under Panther. If we take those test steps out of the equation, CS under Tiger is faster than CS under Panther:

    Test 3: CS/Panther test total minus steps #10 & #12: 43.7s
    Test 10: CS/Tiger test total minus steps #10 & #12: 41.9s

    Next, using the 1536MB (1.5GB) test file.....

    Test #6: Panther, PSCS, 1.5GBMB test file, System, Users, File Save, and Scratch on same volume, 100% memory (1670MB).
    Test #12: Tiger, PSCS, 1.5GB test file, System, Users, File Save, and Scratch on same volume. 100% memory (1736MB).
    Test #7: Panther, PSCS2, 1.5GBMB test file, System, Users, File Save, and Scratch on same volume, 100% memory (3072MB).
    Test #13: Tiger, PSCS2, 1.5GB test file, System, Users, File Save, and Scratch on same volume. 100% memory (3072MB).

    Test6**Test12**Test7**Test13:

    Test step #1 Open=31.6s**29.2s**26.0s**25.1s
    Test step #2 Rotate Canvas=48.6s**45.4s**13.5s**12.6s
    Test step #3 Apply image=66.6s**62.1s**16.5s**10.2s
    Test step #4 Save=9.3s**9.1s**9.1s**9.1s
    Test step #5 Canvas size=38.6s**34.7s**8.2s**6.9s
    Test step #6 Auto color=53.6s**48.8s**7.5s**6.2s
    Test step #7 Guassian Blur=69.8s**62.5s**18.1s**16.2s
    Test step #8 Sharpen=75.7s**71.5s**10.6s**9.2s
    Test step #9 Save=8.9s**8.6s**8.9s**8.6s
    Test step #10 Convert to Profile=57.5s**72.4s**35.1s**56.0s
    Test step #11 Save=63.3s**61.8s**18.7s**18.0s
    Test step #12 RGB Color=80.3s**112.3s**49.9s**83.5s
    Test step #13 Save=14.6s**14.3s**15.5s**14.6s

    Pre-draw Total=273.0s**309.7s**117.2s**167.8s
    Operations Total=490.7s**509.7s**159.4s**200.8s
    Save Total=96.1s**93.8s**52.2s**50.3s
    Open & Save Total=127.7s**123.0s**78.2s**75.4s
    Test Total=618.4s**632.7s**237.6s**276.2s

    Re-draw average=21.75s**19.983s**3.416s**2.25s

    Comparing test 6, 12, 7, and 13- the 1.5GB test file- we see again the same pattern; test steps #10 & #12 are slower using CS2/Panther and CS2/Tiger- with Tiger being slower than Panther. Those same steps using CS/Panther are faster than using CS/Tiger. And again, when we take those test steps out of the equation, CS/Tiger is faster than CS/Panther, and CS2/Tiger is faster than CS2/Panther:

    Test 6: CS/Panther test total minus steps #10 & #12: 480.6s
    Test 12: CS/Tiger test total minus steps #10 & #12: 448.0s
    Test 7: CS2/Panther test total minus steps #10 & #12: 152.6s
    Test 13: CS2/Tiger test total minus steps #10 & #12: 136.7s

    Finally, using the 1536MB (1.5GB) test file with the WorkDisk/ScratchDisk method....

    Test #9: Panther, PSCS2, 1.5GBMB test file, System and Users on startup, File Save and Scratch on Atlas RAID, 100% memory (3072MB).
    Test #14: Tiger, PSCS2, 1.5GBMB test file, System and Users on startup, File Save and Scratch on Atlas RAID, 100% memory (3072MB).

    Test9**Test14:

    Test step #1 Open=20.7s**20.1s
    Test step #2 Rotate Canvas=11.3s**9.2s
    Test step #3 Apply image=13.0s**9.7s
    Test step #4 Save=9.1s**8.9s
    Test step #5 Canvas size=8.3s**5.9s
    Test step #6 Auto color=7.8s**6.2s
    Test step #7 Guassian Blur=18.2s**16.2s
    Test step #8 Sharpen=11.9s**9.2s
    Test step #9 Save=9.1s**8.6s
    Test step #10 Convert to Profile=35.2s**54.4s
    Test step #11 Save=18.9s**17.9s
    Test step #12 RGB Color=51.2s**84.2s
    Test step #13 Save=15.3s**14.5s

    Pre-draw Total=119.0s**166.8s
    Operations Total=156.9s**195.0s
    Save Total=52.4s**49.9s
    Open & Save Total=73.1s**70.0s
    Test Total=230.0s**265.0s

    Re-draw average=3.05s**2.183s

    Test 9: CS2/Panther test total minus steps #10 & #12: 143.6s
    Test 14: CS2/Tiger test total minus steps #10 & #12: 126.4s

    So- with PshopTest steps #10 & #12 taken out of the test results, Photoshop CS2 is clearly faster than CS, and both of them run faster under Tiger than under Panther.....

    Now it's off to investigate this thing with those two test steps, Convert to Profile and RGB Color. ?????
    Last edited by Boots; 09-29-2005 at 03:03 PM.

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    Default Larger PshopTest Files

    With the help of Boots, TZ, and other Moderators, I have been experimenting with larger file sizes in the Pshop Test. There is a lot to note about this, so bear with me. 3GB-5350 resolution and 6GB-7565 resolution sizes were the target but I only tested the 6GB size. Using Pshop CS2 v9.0.

    Notes:
    1. Both the 3GB-5350 resolution and 6GB-7565 resolution sizes created have to be saved in Large Document Format (.psb).
    2. 3GB file saves 845.5MB and 6GB file saves 1.19GB and at end of test (after last Save Step13), the 6GB file is 4.03GB.
    3. Pshop timer is definitely off, sometimes way off on the low side. One thing I cannot measure is when the Pshop timer is actually done, before I can see the time or as I see the time. Can only stop the stopwatch as I see the Pshop timer displayed.
    4. Getting used to using the stopwatch and not stopping it on the Pre-draw caused me one false start and a reboot. Forgetting to zero the stopwatch after a step caused another false start and another reboot.
    5. Watching the Activity Monitor showed the SCSI/SATA RAID at mostly 40-60MB/sec, same during Save, sometimes during some steps up to 200MB/sec write spikes but never that high for reads nor during Save.
    6. Progress bars very slow. At least one step early on bar actually backed up a couple of times. Some other steps do the same for me. Another test early on got a Histogram progress bar before the regular progress bar which I have never see before.
    7. Forget about Pre-draw times.
    8. So you need a stopwatch for these larger file sizes. I ended up purchasing a large digital at a sporting goods store, last year's model, for $15.
    9. The 6GB file size starts at 1.19GB. By the end of Step1-10GB, after Step6-40GB, Step10-65GB, reaches a peak of 79+GB during Step13 and 75GB on completion of the step. After completion of the test and quitting Pshop CS2, it is 4.03GB.
    10. For the current published smaller file sizes Pshop Test, an 8x or 12x drive RAID may be very slightly slower or faster than a 4x drive RAID, insignificant at about 1s difference. But if you do work with large document sizes, more drives is definitely better. Rambling on...

    These Pshop Test CS2 v9.0 tests on G5-2.7DP, set Highest Performance, 8.0GB RAM, Radeon X800 XT ME. All tests in CS2 are default, Available RAM 3072MB and 100% = 3072MB, plus Bigger Tiles plug-in enabled. Default History States 20, default Cache Levels 6. TEST FILE SIZE 6GB-7565. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, and Users. Ethernet, USB printer, and FW disconnected. Spotlight and Dashboard disabled.

    TEST1- 10.4.2, SoftRAID 3.2.1 RAID0 Workstation 128KB SU, using stopwatch. File Save Drive and Scratch Disk Drive 4x Raptor74 and 4x Atlas 36GB 15K II, partitioned to 144GB total, 6-channels, not journaled. Using SeriTek/1VE4 (ROM revision 5.1.2.1VE4) in 100MHz slot, UL4D 133MHz slot. Gurus one meter external SATA data cables. Other UL4D in 100MHz slot nothing connected.

    TEST2- Same as TEST1 except AppleRAID 256KB SU and not partitioned, 273GB.
    TEST3- Same as TEST1 except not partitioned, 274GB.
    TEST4- Same as TEST1 except 12x FrankenRAID with 4x 18GB X15.3 added to UL4D in 100MHz slot, 8-channels, not partitioned, 205GB.
    TEST5- Differences,10.4.3, Apple driver. Boot drive, 300GB MaxLineIII-16MB cache used as boot, CS2 app, Users, File Save, and Scratch Disk Drive, everything. Journaled, 279.36GB Capacity, 38.67GB Used, 13.9%, 240.68GB Available.

    TEST1**TEST2**TEST3**TEST4**TEST5:
    1. Open=63.58s**63.95s**63.00s**62.60s**203.09s
    2. Rotate Canvas 180=133.76s**136.35s**133.00s**120.90s**469.36s
    3. Apply Image=124.81**138.54s**122.60s**121.40s**302.90s
    4. Save=83.66s**88.52s**84.25s**82.51s**136.60s
    5. Canvas Size=91.70s**96.35s**89.10s**86.10s**186.43s
    6. Auto Color=119.03s**129.55s**120.10s**117.75s**230.23s
    7. Gaussian Blur=147.24s**155.86s**144.30s**141.90s**277.89s
    8. Sharpen=114.43s**xxx.xxs**111.40s**107.50s**217.67s
    (see Note1 below)
    9. Save=97.62s**xx.xxs**96.51s**93.28s**159.90s
    10.Convert to Profile=279.26s**xxx.xxs**280.58s**271.20s**493.18s
    11.Save=226.08s**xxx.xxs**230.14s**221.90s**479.10s
    12.Convert to RGB=345.67s**xxx.xxs**343.78s**337.75s**481.86s
    13.Save=135.83s**xxx.xxxs**133.59s**129.21s**315.33s

    LineA. Operations Total
    Operations Total=1355.90s**xxxx.xxs**1344.86s**1304.50s**2659.52s
    LineB. Save Total=543.19s**xxx.xxs**544.49s**526.90s**1090.93s
    LineC. Open and Save Total=606.77s**xxx.xxs**607.49s**589.50s**1294.02s
    LineD. Test Total=1962.67s**xxxx.xxs**1952.35s**1894.00s**3953.54s

    NOTE1: TEST2 Step 8 the volume unmounted and I got a Pshop warning as well as a MacOS Tiger warning and had to force quit Pshop. That is a first. And there was an invisible large file on the volume after I rebooted. I fixed that in SR 3.2.1. So much for AppleRAID and 256KB SU which was significantly slower up to this point anyway. SoftRAID forever on.
    NOTE2: TEST3 with drives not partitioned was about 10s faster than TEST1 with drives partitioned, plus many more GBs.
    NOTE3: TEST4 with the 12x FrankenRAID by far the fastest Test Total and all of the steps.
    NOTE4: TEST5, because the files sizes increase to 79+GB during the test and the desire was to test a single drive, my RAID drives were too small for File Save and Scratch Disk Drive, 74GB Raptor, 18GB X15.3, and 36GB Atlas 15K II. SeriTek/1VE4 in 100MHz slot, UL4D 133MHz slot, and UL4D in 100MHz slot nothing connected to any of the cards. MaxLineIII is in the B (lower) drive position. Before rebooting I checked its temperature at 40.0C. After completion of the test, launched Hardware Monitor, still at 40.0C. Was curious because the drive went thru a humongous amount of work.
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    Default New PshopTest2 Results

    Computer: Power Mac G5 Dual 2.7GHz Boot ROM vers: 5.2.4f1
    OS: Mac OS 10.4.3
    Graphics card: ATY,R420; X800XT ME
    PCI cards: ATTO ExpressPCI UL4D 1.5.0 ROM, ATTOExpressPCI4 3.5.0 driver, ATTO Configuration Tool 3.04
    Display: Apple Cinema HD Display 23" 1920 x 1200 resolution, Millions
    Installed RAM: 8.0GB, 8x1GB DDR SDRAM PC3200U-20320, CL2 (5ns)

    System settings:
    Processor Performance: Highest
    DSL and audio system connected and running. Inkjet printer connected, not running.
    Dashboard running in background, Spotlight on but all running RAIDs on "privacy", no Finder windows open, Activity Monitor not running, no antivirus or disk protection software.
    Journaling on all boot drives, not on RAIDs.

    Photoshop settings:
    Photoshop CS2 (9.0)
    Memory: Available RAM 3072MB, Maximum Used by Photoshop: 100% or 3072MB.
    Image Cache: Default 6 all tests
    Bigger Tiles Plug-in installed & active.

    Hard drives tested: see below

    TEST1-512MB file (2183.7 res). Boot, Users/Data Volume MLIII-16MB, File Save and Scratch SATA Burly 4x Raptor74-8MB, SeriTek/1VE4, 100MHz slot, SoftRAID 3.3, Workstation, 128KB SU, 4-channels, 4 drives. 2x UL4D 133 and 100MHz slots, nothing connected.
    TEST2-Same as TEST1 except File Save and Scratch SCSI/Atlas Burly 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II-8MB, UL4D, 133MHz slot, 2-channels, 4 drives. SATA Burly off.
    TEST3-Same as TEST1 except File Save and Scratch both above SATA and SCSI/Atlas Burlys SoftRAIDed together, 6-channels, 8 drives. 1x UL4D 100MHz slot nothing connected.
    TEST4-Same as TEST3 except File Save and Scratch SCSI/Cheetah Burly 4x 18GB X15.3 added to other Burlys, UL4D, 100MHz slot, 8-channels, 12 drives.

    TEST1**TEST2**TEST3**TEST4
    512M***512M***512M***512M
    *78s****78s*****77s****77s

    TEST5-1.5GB file (3780 res). Boot, Users/Data Volume MLIII-16MB, File Save and Scratch SATA Burly 4x Raptor74-8MB, SeriTek/1VE4, 100MHz slot, SoftRAID 3.3, Workstation, 128KB SU, 4-channels, 4 drives. 2x UL4D 133 and 100MHz slots, nothing connected.
    TEST6-Same as TEST5 except File Save and Scratch SCSI/Atlas Burly 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II-8MB, UL4D, 133MHz slot, 2-channels, 4 drives. SATA Burly off.
    TEST7-Same as TEST5 except File Save and Scratch both above SATA and SCSI/Atlas Burlys SoftRAIDed together, 6-channels, 8 drives. 1x UL4D 100MHz slot nothing connected.
    TEST8-Same as TEST7 except File Save and Scratch SCSI/Cheetah Burly 4x 18GB X15.3 added to other Burlys, UL4D, 100MHz slot, 8-channels, 12 drives, FrankenRAID.

    TEST5**TEST6**TEST7**TEST8
    *1.5G***1.5G***1.5G***1.5G
    *251s***244s***240s***240s

    TEST9-3.0GB file (5350 res, .psb Large Document Format file). Boot, Users/Data Volume MLIII-16MB, File Save and Scratch SATA Burly 4x Raptor74-8MB, SeriTek/1VE4, 100MHz slot, plus SCSI/Atlas Burly 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II-8MB, UL4D, 133MHz slot, SoftRAID 3.3, Workstation, 128KB SU, 6-channels, 8 drives. 1x UL4D 100MHz slot, nothing connected.
    TEST10-Same as TEST9 except File Save and Scratch SCSI/Cheetah Burly 4x 18GB X15.3 added to other Burlys, UL4D, 100MHz slot, 8-channels, 12 drives, FrankenRAID.
    TEST11-6.0GB file (7562 res, .psb Large Document Format file). Otherwise same as TEST9.
    TEST12-6.0GB file (7562 res, .psb Large Document Format file). Otherwise same as TEST10.

    TEST9**TEST10**TEST11**TEST12
    *3.0G****3.0G****6.0G****6.0G
    *597s****594s***1864s***1786s

    The best I can do with dual processors and the current drives I have. k

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    PshopTest2 Results
    Computer: Power Mac G5 Dual 2.7GHz Boot ROM vers: 5.2.4f1
    OS: Mac OS 10.4.4
    Graphics card: ATY,R420; X800XT ME
    PCI cards:
    1. ATTO ExpressPCI UL4D, 133MHz slot, 1.5.0 ROM, ATTOExpressPCI4 3.5.0 driver, ATTO Configuration Tool 3.04
    2. SeriTek/1VE4, 100MHz slot
    3. SeriTek/1VE4, 100MHz slot
    Display: Apple Cinema HD Display 23" 1920 x 1200 resolution, Millions
    Installed RAM: 8.0GB, 8x1GB DDR SDRAM PC3200U-20320, CL2 (5ns)
    For all configurations below, Boot, Users/Data Volume MLIII-16MB

    System settings:
    Processor Performance: Highest
    DSL and audio system connected and running. Inkjet printer connected, not running.
    Dashboard running in background, Spotlight on but all running RAIDs on "privacy", no Finder windows open, Activity Monitor not running, no antivirus or disk protection software.
    Journaling on all boot drives, not on RAIDs.

    Photoshop settings:
    Photoshop CS2 (9.0)
    Memory: Available RAM 3072MB, Maximum Used by Photoshop: 100% or 3072MB.
    Image Cache: Default 6 all tests
    Bigger Tiles Plug-in installed & active.

    Configurations:
    Conf1- File Save and Scratch 2x 150GB Raptor1500, 2-channels, SoftRAID 3.3, Workstation, 128KB SU, 279GB available
    Conf2- File Save and Scratch 6x Raptors (4x Raptor74, 2x Raptor1500), 6-channels, SoftRAID 3.3, Workstation, 128KB SU, 415GB available
    Conf3- File Save and Scratch 6x Raptors and 4x 36GB Atlas 15K II, 8-channels, SoftRAID 3.3, Workstation, 128KB SU, 342GB available

    TEST1**TEST2**TEST3**TEST4**TEST5**TEST6
    512M***512M***512M**1.5GB***1.5G***1.5G
    Conf1**Conf2***Conf3**Conf1***Conf2**Conf3
    *83s***76s*****77s***282s****243s***239s

    TEST7**TEST8**TEST9**TEST10
    *3.0G***3.0G***6.0G****6.0G
    Conf2***Conf3**Conf2***Conf3
    *609s***593s**1930s***1859s

    Comments:
    1. For the 3 and 6GB file tests, I was able to monitor Peak Watts (PW) used.
    Conf2, 6x Raptors, 592PW during the Convert Mode (To: RGB color mode)
    Conf3, 10x Drives, 664PW during the Convert Mode. Almost the entire test, well above 600PW except during Saves where I could hear the internal fans slow down and mostly saw 530-550PW. 510PW in the Finder at idle, no tests running.
    2. I made no attempt to compare these Configurations with previous PshopTest2 results except to say that while this Conf3 10x Drive RAID tests faster in QuickBench, the previous 12x drive FrankenRAID did test faster in the 6GB file test and 10.4.3. 10.4.4 may be slower, don't know. However SCSI can still be king in Pshop.
    3. This ability to stack the cases however gives me much more foot room under the desk and much easier connection of cables to the G5.
    4. PshopTest2 runs very well and SoftRAID 3.3 brings all of these dissimilar drives together in a bulletproof way. And checking SoftRAID after testing, I have never seen a report of I/O errors.
    k

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    Yesterday I ran PshopTest2 in CS2 to view what runs single processor (SP) and what runs dual (DP) via Activity Monitor. After the action steps in preparing the file, I chose the 1.5GB file size, there are 13 action steps to be timed. The percentages vary during each step so these are the max observed:
    1. Open, 99.9%, SP
    2. Rotate 180, 170%, DP
    3. Apply Image, 170%, DP
    4. Save, 100%, SP
    5. Canvas Size, 175%, DP
    6. Levels, 172%, DP
    7. Gaussian Blur, 181%, DP
    8. Sharpen, 179%, DP
    9. Save, 99.9%, SP
    10.Convert to Profile, 185%, DP
    11.Save, 99%, SP (however during Prepare to Save, 136%, DP)
    12.Convert Mode (to RGB), 199.5%, DP
    13.Save, 100%, SP

    So all of the Image and Filter action steps are DP aware, all of the Saves are SP except for #11 during the initial Prepare to Save where it is DP aware. k

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    Thanks for that analysis Kaye. So PshopTest is a bit weighted in favor of multi-processors it seems.

    Btw- when I was preparing those big-time .psb files to test the 150GB Raptors, I experienced the same phenomenom you did- progress bars going backwards before eventually going forwards. It gives a twist to that adage "two steps forwards, one step back".

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    I've got the ultimate backwards progress bar for you. After I created overnight that 8.9GB Finder file, I decided to open it. I forget that exact window name, Open or Prepare to Open, but anyway the bar excruciatingly slowly traveled to the right, stayed full right for awhile, then disappeared and another window of the same name the bar started empty then another similar slow progress to the right. Two pregress windows of the same name. Took over an hour to finish opening that 192+GB (?) file. k

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    Default 150G Raptors & Photoshop

    Since I purchased the two 150GB Raptors (WDC WD1500ADFD-00NLR0 rev. 19.06P19) back in January, I've run them in various configurations from the internal SATA bus. The fastest config for PshopTest turns out to be both drives striped together as a single 279.2GB startup volume containing all files.

    Here are some comparisons using PshopTest2.1 (soon to be released):

    512MB test file, one Raptor drive as a single standard startup volume containing all files including the test file, and also used as the scratch disk. Previous best is 65s

    512MB test file, 2 x Raptor drives striped as a single standard startup volume containing all files including the test file, and also used as the scratch disk. New best results are 59s

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    512MB test file, one Raptor drive as a single standard startup volume containing all files including the test file but not the scratch file. 4 x striped Atlas 15k SCSI used as the scratch disk. Previous best is 63s

    512MB test file, 2 x Raptor drives striped as a single standard startup volume containing all files including the test file but not the scratch file. 4 x striped Atlas 15k SCSI used as the scratch disk. New best results are 57s

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    512MB test file, one Raptor drive as a single standard startup volume containing all files except the test file and scratch file. 4 x striped Atlas 15k SCSI used as a Work Disk/Scratch Disk containing the test file and the scratch disk. Previous best is 56s

    512MB test file, 2 x Raptor drives striped as a single standard startup volume containing all files except the test file and scratch file. 4 x striped Atlas 15k SCSI used as a Work Disk/Scratch Disk containing the test file and the scratch disk. New best results are 55s

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    I plan to run this striped config awhile. Of course I back everything up at least twice a day with Retrospect (sometimes more) and do a fresh CCC clone at least once a week.

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    Thanks for the post Boots. We get asked on a daily basis what the best configuration is, all your posts really help.

    If you have a spare moment, could you post your best thoughts on how a good setup would be using, say, 4 total SATA drives? A pair of Raptors and a pair of big 7200s. All 7200s. Just a reasonable thought on what our recommendations should be for reasonably large PS photo editing.

    Again, you are remarkable. All the configurations you have tried and keeping track of the performance for each. Amazing!

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    Default Best 4-Drive SATA Setup for Photoshop

    Quote Originally Posted by ricks
    If you have a spare moment, could you post your best thoughts on how a good setup would be using, say, 4 total SATA drives? A pair of Raptors and a pair of big 7200s. All 7200s. Just a reasonable thought on what our recommendations should be for reasonably large PS photo editing.
    Rick
    A safe easy maintenance setup:

    The MaXLine III's as I understand it are supposed to still be generally the best overall SATA performers, so one for Startup, one for backup, and Raptors striped as scratch disk. But TZ is the expert on the current state of which large SATA drives are the best choices. Anyhow,

    A live dangerously approach with moderately easy maintenance:

    Raptors striped as Startup, 2 SATA drives striped as 2 volumes, first as scratch, second for image files. External backups.

    or

    Another live dangerously approach with moderately easy maintenance:

    2 x large SATA drives striped as Startup and all files, 2 x Raptors striped as scratch. External backups.


    Maybe slower but safer and easy maintenance:

    1 Raptor as Startup, 1 Raptor as scratch, 1 SATA as image file volume, 1 SATA as backup.

    I don't know which of these would be the fastest Photoshop performer- I'd have to test them.

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    Default More on best 4-drive SATA setup for Photoshop

    If I had the $ and a Mac Pro, first thing I'd try would be 4 x 150G Raptors striped together containing all files and scratch, and relying on external backups.

    Then I'd test 2 x stripe startup, 2 x stripe scratch- again relying on external backups.

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