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    As of January 23rd, you can now order a G4/800 or 1.0GHz for your B&W.
    http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore.html


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    Looks like only 800 for B&W, but still very cool!

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    No. Sonnet is fazing out the G4/700 which is Beige only while supplies last. There is a G4 1.0 that IS Beige only, and a new 1.0 that will work on both, as well as G4/800 which is for Beige and B&W. Sonnet Press Release <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Power Macintosh G3 All-in-one
    Power Macintosh G3 Blue & White
    Power Macintosh G3 Desktop
    Power Macintosh G3 Minitower
    Power Macintosh Server G3
    Power Mac G4 (PCI Graphics)
    Macintosh Server G4 (PCI Graphics)

    Note: 1.0 GHz upgrade for Blue & White G3 must be Part No. EG4-1000-1M-U. 1.0 GHz upgrades without the "U" are compatible with Beige G3 models only. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
    Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4/800MHz w/1024k 4:1 Backside Cache. Compatible with PowerMac G3 Beige, G3 Blue&White, G4 'Yikes' PCI Models. New with 3yr Sonnet Warranty. (STIEG48001M) $347.95 2 Days

    Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4/500MHz w/1024k 2:1 Backside Cache. New with 3yr Sonnet Warranty. (STIEG45001M) more info... $199.95

    Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4/700MHz w/1024k 3:1 Backside Cache. For PowerMac G3 Beige Models ONLY! New with 3yr Sonnet Warranty. (STIEG47001M) more info... $297.95

    Sonnet Encore/ZIF G4/1GHz w/1024k 4:1 Backside Cache. Compatible with PowerMac G3 Beige, G3 Blue&White, G4 'Yikes' PCI Models. New with 3yr Sonnet Warranty. (STIEG410001MU) $495.99[/list] OWC MacSales.com

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    finally, but what's up with resetting the BW bus to 66mHz (XLR8YM)? What type of hit does this mean in real world apps compared to a G4/500 at full bus speed?

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    Where are people getting that the fsb is set to 66MHz?

    I don't see anything to confirm or suggest that. What it could mean is a trip to Better Business Bureau, people returning them as "defective" or "not as advertised" at least.

    [This message was edited by TZ on Fri January 23, 2004 PT at 12:28.]

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    Likewise...would like some clarificaion on this. Did order one but may cancel if it does not live up to expectations. the "graphs" on Sonnet's website don't look too significantly different from the G4/500's most of us already have. Assuming its a 300% increase from stock G3 then possibly a 150% increase (or less) from a G4/500. can't anyone do a real "real" world test.


    TZ, (Mac Central Forums) saw inital post on XLR8...

    The main reason this product took so long to complete is a bus timing conflict that we had been trying to overcome at 100MHz. After nearly a year of development, we determined that this issue was probably not going to be resolved without a tremendous amount of luck, and our B&W customers were telling us (including many on these forums) that they were running out of patience. So 66MHz (67 according to ASP) it is.
    The new Encore/ZIF for B&W adds very significant performance over previous ZIF solutions. Bus speed does affect some applications' performance more than others, but even in those, the tremendous gain in both clock speed and Altivec nets a valuable result. The only place that a reasonable gain isn't seen is in some of the action games, and most of these are hindered by PCI graphics as much as by processor. Our beta test partners, while understandably skeptical at first, became very excited about the Encore when they experienced the real-world gains.
    We've run our standard iMovie, iTunes and Photoshop test suite on these models, and the results are posted here:
    http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore_graphs.html
    If you just lower the bus speed, and leave your old processor in, of course you'll hurt performance, but as a total solution you clearly gain with an Encore/ZIF. That's why we've moved ahead.
    Do we wish it was running at 100MHz? Of course. But wishes won't make your computer run faster. This product will.

    [This message was edited by freelanceguy on Fri January 23, 2004 PT at 11:17.]

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    Thanks, MacCentral is a real mixed bag to begin with - most threads... too hot headed for me. Then again, I've never seen as much Mac-basing as on the Macgeek.com part of www.geek.com - seems it attracts Wintel users like flies!

    I'm tempted to order the G4/800. I can use it in my Beige. I'll bet that they could do the 800 @ full 100MHz bus. One of the penalties will be memory thruput. With G4/500 it is 164MB/sec using PC133. Drop the bus, and it will drop down to 99MB/sec. Looks like most of the gains in benchmarks were from the G4/500 and only small incremental above that.

    I know from using G4 1.0 in Beige (before I returned it due to problems with the Altivec unit) that it helped a lot and was nice.

    With 7447 and 7455B and 7457s I was hoping that - if they can do 1.2-1.4 on 100MHz AGP G4s... there was some hope for us.

    Emails with Sonnet indicated that they had something running. Now I know, and I wouldn't spend $499 to turn my B&W into a Beige of all things!

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    TZ,

    Interesting on the memory....Checked my XLR8 and my PC133 are already running at 99%. In your opinion shold this be faster or would that change with the new Sonnet product?

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    I never realized there was a Sonnet support forum! I wish Sonnet had mentioned that when I bought the 1GHz and was having trouble.

    I'll probably get the G4/800 and try it in both Beige and B&W and let you know.

    GaugePro: if you have a G4 and aren't seeing more, that's not right. If you have a G3/500-900, that figures. PC100 125MHz 8 ns CAS2 would run @ 163MB/sec, no different - what I had - then I put the PC100 in a Beige and bought all new PC133 - in both cases, Crucial's recommended RAM for Yosemite.

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    Ah....Gauge Pro reporting 159. Was looking at motherbaord speed (99). Temporary brain freeze while dreaming of a faster BW. Holding off on Sonnet card for now (until more clarification on these issues comes in).

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    Makes those G4/450-533's look better, at only $149 at www.macsales.com

    It was a YEAR AGO that you were debating which G4 to get at that time. Same issue a year later.

    the more things change, the more than stay the same.

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    I had bought 3 B&Ws this spring ( One for my brother ) a 350 , a 400 and a 450 G3. Gave my bro the 450 w/DVD ( Cause I Got a QuickSilver also ) I finally bought a Pair of OWC 450 G4s and the very next day sonnet dropped the 500 G4 price to $199 ( it Figures ) I put one in my bro's , and took the 450 G3 for my Second B&W. I finally quit waiting for a 1GHz for the my second B&W and bought a Sonnet 500 G4 Dec. 2nd. It's running just fine . But I'm happy with what I have. I used the extra money to buy the GigaDesigns Dual 1.33 GHz for my QS ! Man it really Kicks ! ordered on 12 Dec , showed up on the 16th and has Been Running 200 % 24/7 ever since ! Happiness is a FAST MAc !
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    see if you can grab yourself a 7410 based g4 550, which with a little bit of fan cooling (Gurus has a good solution for this) you can clock to 600Mhz on a 100Mhz bus in the B&W. I wouldnt recommend running a 66Mhz bus just to get the chip to go faster.
    Of course, someone who has purchased one of these new chips from sonnet could try leaving the system bus at 100Mhz and downclocking the chip to a stable level, say down to 600?

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    I gave up on upgrading the B&W further w/ Sonnet's little tricks, PCI limitations, etc.

    Update: I did end up putting PowerLogix G3 1.0, Radeon 9200, UL3S and 15K boot drive in B&W. I tried the PL G3 in Beige also, but felt the G4/500 was "enough." The PL cpu does not change the default bus, but it also did not get along with 83MHz fsb in Beige, whereas the G4/500 is quite happy to do so.

    My original "upgrade solution" was G4(MDD) 1.25(SP) 1280MB, Radeon 9800 Pro, ATTO OEM UL3D ($75), Atlas 10K-IV ($148).

    Whisper quiet. Fast. Came with 10.3, so that's $120 worth, plus iLife ($49 + s/h). Refurbished? Cannot see one thing that isn't spanking new. Specials page, but I'd say they are now liquidating stock of these at $1099. Given the software you get, call it $949.

    And it is hard to get this rig to hit 100% cpu usage now.
    Last edited by TZ; 09-04-2005 at 07:36 AM.

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