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    Hey guys,

    Just got home from school for the holidays. My dad has a Dual-500 G4 that he bought from a friend that he hasnt used since he got it. I think they did a clean install of 10.2.5 at the time, plus some applications. I ran system update and installed everything that wasnt current. On the first try it installed Quicktime, iTunes, iMovie, etc, etc, but said it encountered problems with installation of the 10.2.8 combined update, so i 'made it inactive' via one of the menu options, and let it install everything else. After restarting, i ran software update again and tried the 10.2.8 installation again. It seemed to take less time, so I assume it continued from whatever it had downloaded previously. After the install, when I reset the computer, it goes through the startup process...grey screen with apple, then the Starting OS X screen. The last thing it says it is "Loading IP Firewall Extension" or in some cases "Starting Timed Execution Services" immediately followed by a brief "Startup Complete". After that though, there is just a blank blue screen. No log in screen. I can move the cursor around, but cant get any further response. This is my first time running OS X, so I havent any idea how to trouble shoot, and I might not be able to as I dont have a system disc at the moment (I dont think it made it though my parents move), although after Christmas I will have a copy of 10.3 included with my new laptop.

    Your help would me hugely appreciated.

    Bat

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    maybe I should have posted this in the OS X Questions section. missed that. sorry guys.

    If I wanted your input on this project, I'd cut out your entrails and divine the future from your liver. - DigitalMuse

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    10.2.8 was 'nasty' for lots of people, so you aren't alone ;(

    I know it was covered in depth on MacIntouch and MacFixit.com though once articles get archived on MacFixit they are only available for so long before you need to register ($19/yr?)

    You're system, DP500, was ONE of those hit the hardest, too

    Would be nice to get your feet wet with OS X in the meantime I know - and maybe a copy of OS X: The Missing Manual (Panther Edition) wouldn't hurt.

    Apple is very clear that one copy per machine or you need a Family Pack. I'd say grab a copy of 10.3 $99, MacIntouch link. Real improvement over Jaguar.

    I prefer the stand-alone combined updaters rather than download/install method. 10.2.8 weighs in at ~100MB. Can be rerun any number of times. Just need to do a couple things:

    Boot into OS 9 and run Disk Warrior AFTER clearing out what was in the process of being installed and downloaded. One place to look is in the System/Library/Receipts. Look for anything changed at the time you hard rebooted.

    Hum... before doing that you can also boot with the Command + S key held down, gets you into "Single User Mode" and from there run "/sbin/fsck -y" as many times as you need until it shows no new errors found. After that type "reboot" followed by holding down the SHIFT KEY. That puts you into "SAFE MODE" and will check the filesystem again, will disable some extensions, and will bypass anything in the "StartupItems" folder as well. Release once the "wheel" symbol shows. Then hold down again if you want to disable launching anything that is in the "LOGIN ITEMS" (there may not be any).

    But if this doesn't work, Disk Warrior may. Or Norton. If you don't have any 3rd party utility, one of those two or MicroMat's TechTool Pro 4 need to go on your "wish list" as well. (book, CD, utility). Might as well wish for a new disk drive too! think we need one? And maybe FW drive (so we can backup and share with laptop when that comes in, along with using FireWire Target Disk Mode; or, FireWire IP. Okay, and add a router/switch to your wish list as well.

    Gads! I think that's enough for now!

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    Bat,

    ?Hey, who cares where it gets posted? Works well enough here.

    ?Try a Open Firmware reset and see if it gets fixed. Hold the Command+Option+O+F keys during startup. Then at the '>' prompt type:

    ?<reset-nvram
    Return
    ?>set-defaults
    Return
    ?>reset-all
    Return and your computer will restart. You may need to hold the Option key when it restarts if the Os isn't on the first partition of the Master drive.

    Rick

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    thanks guys, but no dice. I logged in as single user and did the fsck thing. it only modified the disc the first time. starting up in safe mode still gives me the blank blue screen. i also reset the open firmware, to no avail.

    i dont think there is anything one the computer that is important, and my dad is selling it to another guy since he doesnt ever use it, and I wont after I go back to california. but I should atleast have it running before I go. theres no reason not to just do a clean install as far as I can tell. will probably save me a migraine. im not stoked to buy an OS for a machine we are about to get rid of though.

    Oh, and if I am going to buy one of TTP, Norton, or Disk Warrior, is there a clear preference on which to go with? What are the advantages/disadvantages?

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    TechTool Pro 4 just came out. Has a lot of bells and whistles and a link to a good review in the OS X General: Disk Utilities thread. Disk Warrior is good. Norton NSW 3.0, seems like it is finally safe to use. the Missing Manual are excellent for anyone new to OS X or Macs. I would think you can get back the $99 for OS X 10.3 with the sale - hard to sell a machine w/o at least the OS though, yes?

    Sorry nothing worked. 10.2.8 really caused everyone a lot of migraines! - and grief.

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