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Thread: Beige G3 lost drive?(long)

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    I don't think there are ANY IDE drives, therefore, no slave devices, and no IDE ribbon cable.

    Take Apple System Profiler. Create a New Report and specify "text." Save that to disk then post all the section that details PCI cards and devices and their volumes.

    Let's look at that.

    Gregory

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    Report Created:5/28/02 at 11:18:18 PM

    Memory overview
    Disk cache: 7.96 MB
    Virtual memory: is off
    Built-in memory: 832 MB
    Location Size Memory type
    J3 64 MB DIMM
    J4 256 MB DIMM
    J5 512 MB DIMM
    Backside L2 cache: 512K
    Hardware overview
    Machine ID: 510
    Model name: Power Macintosh G3 series
    Keyboard type: Apple Extended Keyboard
    Personality card: Audio card
    Processor info: PowerPC G3
    Machine speed: 300 MHz
    FPU: Built-in
    Devices and Volumes
    Internal ATA 0
    ID = 0
    CD-ROM drive
    Driver version: Not available
    Mac OS partitions: 0
    Removable media: Yes
    Vendor: MATSHITA
    Revision number: ZS20
    Product ID: CR-585
    Serial number:

    No disk inserted
    Internal ATA 1
    ID = 0
    Removable media
    Driver version: Not available
    Mac OS partitions: 0
    Removable media: No
    Vendor: IOMEGA
    Revision number: 14.A
    Product ID: ZIP 100 ATAPI
    Serial number:
    Unformatted size: 0 bytes

    No volumes mounted
    SCSI Bus 1
    ID = 4
    Hard drive
    Driver version: 8.1
    Mac OS partitions: 1
    Removable media: No
    Vendor: QUANTUM
    Revision number: LXY4
    Product ID: XP32275W
    Serial number:
    Unformatted size: 2.11 GB

    Drive 2
    Volume format: Mac OS Extended (HFS+)
    Size: 2.11 GB
    Space Available: 1 GB
    Percent full: 50
    Write protected: No
    Is being file shared: No
    ID = 0
    Hard drive
    Driver version: Not available
    Mac OS partitions: 0
    Removable media: No
    Vendor: QUANTUM
    Revision number: 880P
    Product ID: VIKING 4.5 WSE
    Serial number:
    Unformatted size: 0 bytes

    No disk inserted
    PCI
    Slot $A1
    SCSI card
    Card type: scsi
    Card name: Apple53C875Card
    Card model: NCR,875
    Card revision: 3
    Card vendor ID: 1000
    Network
    Built-in Ethernet card
    Card type: ethernet
    Card name: pci1011,9
    Card model:
    Card revision: 34
    Card vendor ID: 1011
    Ethernet address: 00.c0.95.f8.7c.25
    Slot $C1
    Display card
    Card type: display
    Card name: 3Dfx,Voodoo3
    Card model: Voodoo3 3000
    Card revision: 1
    Card vendor ID: 121A

    Display
    Screen Size (pixels): 1024 x 768
    Grays/Colors: Millions
    Resolution (dpi): 72 x 72
    Additional Information: Main screen
    Video
    Built-in display card
    Card type: display
    Card name: ATY,mach64_3DU
    Card model: ATY,GT-B
    Card revision: 154
    Card vendor ID: 1002

    Display
    Screen Size (pixels): 832 x 624
    Grays/Colors: Millions
    Resolution (dpi): 72 x 72
    Screen Size (pixels): 832 x 624
    Floppy
    No disk inserted

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    fluke,

    I just got one of those ATTO cards myself and plan to test it later. Looks good - picked it up for $50 from OWC.

    Have you looked at Maxtor's web site - or anyone's - for a diagram of where the jumper goes to terminate a drive?

    Gregory

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    Have you looked at Maxtor's web site...?
    Nope but I will now.
    Did my text post help yopu undersdtand more of whats going on in my machine? Any observations/ advice?
    What about getting that data off the drive? Do you think it is in fact fried? What might have happened?
    I read in th eG3 zone that Drive setup was a better bet than third party utilities like Hard Disk Tool kit or Disk Warrior even though they offer more extras.
    Thanks, Robert

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    Hi, your text post explains that your CD Rom drive & Zip drive are on the machines internal ATA (IDE) bus,hence all your references to IDE/master/slave etc.relate only to this portion of your machine.
    Maxtor bought Quantum and is responsable for any support / info on Quantum drives.
    Drive Setup is a fine utility for setting up your drive...other utilities may be better for diagnosis and repair of a problem drive.
    Try removing the ID- 4/ 2 gig drive leaving only the problem drive (ID-0)
    on the chain, and boot from CD

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    Macaholic- I did just what you said and booted from the G3 CD. I did a few things.after all was the same as before.(the chime 2-second-bep then the Mac booted fron the CD.

    I then used Drive Setup and the resuls follow.
    Volume Name type Bus ID LUN
    <CD-ROM drive> ATA 0 0 0
    <CD-ROM drive> ATA 1 0 0
    <No disk> SCSI 1 0 0
    I then marked/selected "<No disk>" and the message given was "There is no disk in this drive"
    ----------------
    I then tried to run the "Install Mac OS 8.1" application from the G3 CD. The message given was:
    "A valid destination volume can't be found. To continue installation process mount a valid volume for software installation"
    ----------------
    I then popped a zip disk in containing the "2/3/4/6 GB Firmware Utility" application I downloaded last night from the Apple site. I ran the program and the resuls follow.

    SCSI drive identity information
    Vendor: Quantum
    Model: XP32275W
    Firmware: LXY4
    **This drive does not need updating!**

    SCSI drive identity information
    Vendor: Quantum
    Model: Viking 4.5 WSE
    Firmware: 880P
    **This drive does not need updating!**
    -----------------
    I then installed Restrospect Express. Even though I had never used it before and had no backup files I used the configure backup devices feature to try mounting the drive. I did get these result from the report as follows:
    "Currently visible devices"
    ID Vendor Product Version Driver
    1:0 Quantum Viking 4.5WSE 880P ( No driver)
    1:4 Quantum XP32277W LXY4 .ASYC00
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    Well that is all I could think to do from the CD bootup.
    I went all through the Maxtor siet last night. It does offer jumper diagrams and driver software for IBM compatibles but they exclaim that they have no Apple supporting software yet. That doesn't help me much. How would I get those drivers back onto the drive if no program will mount the drive?
    Thanks,
    Robert

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    Any formatting program gives you the option to update driver. If it was initialized with Drive Setup, or SLPro.

    A. FWB HDT 4.5.2 - to restore a drive to defaults
    B. Disk Warrior - to repair directory
    C. Norton (6.03) - run only after DW and repair etc.
    D. Drive Setup - format, test, initialize

    Make sure the drive is set to automount and that the setting didn't get "lost"

    I haven't worked with 8.1 - 1998? 8.5/8.5.1/8.6 came out in quick succession in 1999 followed by 9.1 which I've used ever since. The Drive Setup that comes with 9.1 or later is much much better. I know one site that sells 7.5 and later CDs (legit). And I think 8.6 or 9.1 are worth the cost.

    I wanted you to look at the jumper pins and compare to what you have was all. yes, it is all DOS/Windows software. FWB does offer useful tools to do most of that. Some people are handy with pdisk for formatting.

    Norton can sometimes mount or show an unrecognized drive.

    Disk utilities use to have really good manuals. In fact, 1st Aid Software back in '98 was so good, the program was worth the $105 (a lot back then) JUST for the manual and its full in depth of the Mac OS, error codes, sad mac codes etc. Which reminds me, have you looked at investing in, A) SAD MACS, 4th ED., B) Disk Warrior, Norton? I think a good troubleshooting manual is an essential. You'd pay as much as the book for one hour of anyone's time.

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    A good page to look at: ATTO Mac SCSI

    Take a look at the bottom of this if you need to know what the jumper pins for termination etc need to be on narrow drives: http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/scsi/st318418n.html

    For information on any drive's jumper settings:
    http://www.thetechpage.com/

    ... MacGuru SCSI FAQ would be the first stop.

    There is also "The Book of SCSI" and the online www.scsifaq.com as well as
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    Hello guys- I had to go out of town for a couple days but alas I am back at the G3. I downloaded the ATTO Express Pro-Tools and tried to mount the drive. I tried to erase, reformat, zero, everythinh it could do. The utility program said that: the drive was a syncronous SCSI
    total capacity of 0
    free space: 0
    formatted: yes
    block size: 0I took the drive out of the case and hooked it up laying next to the case and restarded. the drive has a tiny LED that sines brightly green when the Mac stars up or I try to mount the drive with utilities(any) but the drive won't spin. I have now come to thr realization that I am ordering a new drive and I will never see the data come off that drive. Thanks for all your help.
    Robert

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    Send me an email,My address in profile

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