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emacuser2008
09-23-2008, 01:59 AM
Despite restoring my Apple Emac OSX 10.2.8 JAGUAR Computer 2 times in a row within just a few weeks, my CPU Monitor still shows my Processor is up to maximum or near maximum capacity.

Ist time I restored my Computer, I created 3 backup data CD's,loaded them back onto my Computer, which was a big mistake. Later, I used Sophos AntiVirus Software to check my entire harddrive & it found 3 corrupt files and 7 files (music songs) had trojan viruses. So, I restored my Computer again & did not put any data from 3 CD's back onto my Computer.

My Entourage Main Indentity file was also corrupt ~ probably some email viruses contracted from emails I received. I noticed before restoration there were strange characters in my emails.

For 2nd restore, I only created 2 backup CD's and did NOT save any of the virus / corrupt files onto them.

After 2nd restore, once in a while, the entire screen STILL suddenly turns blue & all my programs / applications automatically shut down ~ seems the computer restarts itself, so to speak. Any applications open on my Computer are closed. Any idea why ?? Any idea why my CPU Monitor is showing my processor usage to be so high ??

I have 640MB Memory on my Computer: 512MB & 128MB. I plan to buy 512MB more, which I will swap with 128MB Memory Stick already in my Monitor.

My Hardrive has 57.26GB capacity, with 50.79GB Free, thus I am am only using 6.47GB of my entire Computer capacity.

Yes, I do maintenance & use System Optimizer and AppleJack.

Is there any Apple eMac WIZ out there who can assist me ?? Any ideas why my Processor STILL gets so clogged & my Computer is slower, and STILL periodically restarts itself with the blue screen ??

emacuser2008 :p

rwm
09-23-2008, 04:20 PM
When your computer is running. Open the Activity Monitor --> Select CPU and sort it by highest CPU usage to lowest and see what it reports as using up your CPU.

unclemac
09-24-2008, 07:58 PM
Start with that to see what the offending app or service is. Need to narrow it down to start.

Other things to think about:

1. The HD in the emac is a plain old ATA model, and any emac is now long in the tooth, at least for an ATA drive. Consider a replacement. The bad news is, it is project to swap. Not rocket science, but you do have to dig fairly deep to get to the drive. I can do one in about an hour, having done a few in the past.

2. Could be an OS thing too. The emacs run 10.3 great, which is a big update all around to 10.2. Even 10.4 runs well too. Consider an OS upgrade? A clean install to test with would be a good help, rather than restoring a previous OS.

3. Even with the CPU pegged for whatever reason, you should not see a crash. Sounds like a kernel panic or other severe crash/hang/problem. Beyond a HD or OS issue, you could have another problem hardware related......bad RAM is a common problem

4. Start in Safe Mode (hold down the shift key until you get to the login window/desktop) to see if you still see CPU and/or stability issues.

emacuser2008
10-01-2008, 11:09 PM
Hi ~

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am familiar with this trick. I already tried it. My CPU Monitor is always active on my screen whenever I am on my Computer. I click on my CPU Monitor, and at the control bar at top of my screen, I select "Processes", then "Open Process Viewer". Next, I click the %CPU tab, then it sorts active programs running on my Computer to indicate System Resources each one is using, from highest % to lowest %.

One of the programs running is called "Window Manager" ~ what is this ??
I used FIND to find it's location on my Computer, but do not know what it's function is. It seems to use a lot of resources, but just to manage the Windows ?? The CPU usage for it fluctuates for 42.5% to 5.0%. The 42.5% is a high amount of system resources it uses.

I even ran Sophos Virus Scan on my entire computer, and it found 2 .html corrupt files in my AppleWorks SchoolHouse Fonts, which I deleted from my System. Still, the CPU Monitor shows the processor is 3/4 to full capacity, with only a few programs running.

Appleworks was put onto my computer by default when I restored my Computer, so where these 2 corrupt Appleworks html files came from I have NO CLUE.

I was hoping to get some clues from any Internet eMac or OSX Forums, before I take my Computer into Best Buy Geek Squad and pay $70.00 for them just to examine my Computer. God knows what additional costs will be to repair my Computer, after they find what is really wrong with it.

emacuser2008 :rolleyes:


When your computer is running. Open the Activity Monitor --> Select CPU and sort it by highest CPU usage to lowest and see what it reports as using up your CPU.

emacuser2008
10-02-2008, 12:18 AM
1. If I could find an emac user manual on the Internet, I would have no problem to attempt to swap my Hard Drive with a new one. Is there an upgraded better Hard Drive Model I can replace the ATA Model with ?? Why did Apple use a plain old ATA Model to handle such technology on an eMac. It does not make any sense........Kudos to you for your experience with Hard Drives. I hesitate to replace my HD, not knowing exactly what the problem is with my emac. I have no idea how much a new HD would cost for my Apple Computer, nor what choices I would have.

I ran Sophos Anti Virus on my entire HD / Computer & it found 2 corrupt .html files in my AppleWorks SchoolHouse Fonts, which I deleted from my Computer. How these 2 files got corrupt after I already erased & clean installed my Computer two times within a few weeks ~ I have no idea. AppleWorks got loaded back on my computer from my restore CD, when I did a clean install. Still, no improvement after restart after deleting the 2 corrupt .html files.

2. I already did a clean install two times. I erased my entire Hard Drive then loaded all Software back on, plus data from my CD's created of my own files. Sophos did not detect any corruption or viruses on any data I reinstalled from my 3 CD's I had created of my own files. Thus, I did not restore prior Operating System.

3. I checked Apple Profiler and 6th Tab contains logs of all CRASHES. There are quite a few. I saved a copy of it & wanted to attach it to this email, but Mac Guru Website file limit is only 19.5 MB and my Apple Profiler Log is 344.8MB ! I feel the root of my Computer Problem is contained in this CRASH LOG. Surely, a knowledgeable person could analyze it and understand it's verbage to determine what is causing these crashes, due to a clogged Processor / System. I could try to compact the file into StuffIt using Drop Zip & got it down to 68KB, but it is still to large to attach. If you are interested to take a look & have an email address, I can separately email this Apple System Profiler TEXT file to you. I am convinced it will reveal the answer to my Computer Problems.

What is a "kernel panic" ?? What is a kernel ?? My Apple Profiler shows plenty of CRASHES.

How do I detect / analyze BAD RAM ?? My Apple Profiler shows the correct RAM in my Computer: 128MB Memory Stick & 512MB Memory Stick. I aim to replace the 128MB Memory Stick with a 512MB Memory Stick to get 1024MB total memory on my Computer. MB that will help it ??

If you are bored and know how to analyze Apple Crash Logs, I can email the Crash Log Text File to you. Or, if you have another MacGuru Person you can recommend who can assist, I can email it to them as well. Not sure how to find / contact such a person at MacGuru who can analyze Apple Crash Logs.

4. I will restart my Computer in SAFE MODE & see how it behaves.

I never took a Computer Lesson in my life, but taught myself what I know on Windows Operating System and OSX Operating System. I just poke around & learn. It was an adjustment to use OSX - hope to learn more about my 5 year old Apple Emac Computer. Now I know how to start it in SAFE MODE.

If I do not find my answer at any Emac or OSX Forums, my last resort is to bring my Computer in to Best Buy Geek Squad & pay $70.00 just for them to diagnose my Computer ~ God knows what it will cost after they find the problem. I can install any new memory myself - I have a HEX SET to take apart the monitor myself.

THX AGAIN FOR YOUR HELP :)
emacuser2008



Start with that to see what the offending app or service is. Need to narrow it down to start.

Other things to think about:

1. The HD in the emac is a plain old ATA model, and any emac is now long in the tooth, at least for an ATA drive. Consider a replacement. The bad news is, it is project to swap. Not rocket science, but you do have to dig fairly deep to get to the drive. I can do one in about an hour, having done a few in the past.

2. Could be an OS thing too. The emacs run 10.3 great, which is a big update all around to 10.2. Even 10.4 runs well too. Consider an OS upgrade? A clean install to test with would be a good help, rather than restoring a previous OS.

3. Even with the CPU pegged for whatever reason, you should not see a crash. Sounds like a kernel panic or other severe crash/hang/problem. Beyond a HD or OS issue, you could have another problem hardware related......bad RAM is a common problem

4. Start in Safe Mode (hold down the shift key until you get to the login window/desktop) to see if you still see CPU and/or stability issues.

emacuser2008
10-02-2008, 12:28 AM
I found I can use the Terminal to see what is running on my Computer.

You open the Terminal in UTILITIES and just type in "top" & press enter. If you want to take a CRACK at the data it provided, be my guest. The only Programs I presently have open are CPU Monitor, Terminal, MicroSoft Word, Netscape, and Safari. That is it.

HERE IS THE INFO IT PROVIDED TO ME:

Processes: 56 total, 2 running, 54 sleeping... 152 threads 01:22:42
SharedLibs: num = 106, resident = 30.0M code, 2.35M data, 9.55M LinkEdit
MemRegions: num = 6426, resident = 251M + 11.0M private, 207M shared
PhysMem: 62.7M wired, 374M active, 195M inactive, 632M used, 8.45M free
VM: 2.91G + 65.5M 31877(0) pageins, 5682(0) pageouts

PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT RSHRD RSIZE VSIZE
1319 top 7.4% 0:08.08 1 14 18 272K 344K 568K 13.6M
1318 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.01 1 10 16 348K 608K 784K 5.73M
1317 login 0.0% 0:00.34 1 12 33 244K 396K 572K 13.7M
1316 Terminal 5.7% 0:07.88 3 63 196 3.40M 11.7M 11.2M 77.9M
1315 Microsoft 0.0% 0:00.66 2 72 114 1.75M 9.78M 4.38M 71.8M
1313 Microsoft 5.7% 0:59.67 5 135 252 12.1M 51.8M 27.4M 132M
1150 AppleSpell 0.0% 0:00.08 1 16 21 456K 880K 724K 14.6M
920 Safari 0.0% 19:02.88 6 123 380 21.6M 33.9M 28.8M 127M
919 mozilla-bi 1.6% 7:24.59 13 193 976 66.0M 92.1M 90.4M 441M
500 SecurityAg 0.0% 0:03.69 2 74 107 1.66M 5.28M 2.76M 69.8M
483 CPU Monito 1.6% 2:15.11 1 63 97 1.20M 5.23M 2.36M 68.9M
478 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.11 1 10 14 332K 620K 664K 5.73M
477 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 324K 608K 580K 5.73M
476 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 324K 608K 580K 5.73M
475 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 344K 608K 616K 5.73M
Processes: 56 total, 3 running, 53 sleeping... 152 threads 01:22:44
Load Avg: 1.05, 1.00, 0.99 CPU usage: 36.4% user, 26.4% sys, 37.2% idl
SharedLibs: num = 106, resident = 30.0M code, 2.35M data, 9.55M LinkEdit
MemRegions: num = 6433, resident = 251M + 11.0M private, 207M shared
PhysMem: 63.0M wired, 373M active, 195M inactive, 632M used, 8.39M free
VM: 2.91G + 65.5M 31877(0) pageins, 5682(0) pageouts

PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT RSHRD RSIZE VSIZE
1319 top 9.9% 0:08.39 1 14 18 272K 344K 568K 13.6M
1318 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.01 1 10 16 348K 608K 784K 5.73M
1317 login 0.0% 0:00.34 1 12 33 244K 396K 572K 13.7M
1316 Terminal 2.4% 0:08.02 3 63 200 3.40M 11.7M+ 11.2M+ 78.0M+
1315 Microsoft 0.0% 0:00.66 2 72 114 1.75M 9.78M 4.38M 71.8M
1313 Microsoft 0.8% 0:59.73 5 135 252 12.1M 51.8M 27.4M 132M
1150 AppleSpell 0.0% 0:00.08 1 16 21 456K 880K 724K 14.6M
920 Safari 0.0% 19:02.88 6 123 380 21.6M 33.9M 28.8M 127M
919 mozilla-bi 0.0% 7:24.60 13 193 976 66.0M 92.1M 90.4M 441M
500 SecurityAg 0.0% 0:03.69 2 74 107 1.66M 5.28M 2.76M 69.8M
483 CPU Monito 0.8% 2:15.13 1 63 97 1.20M 5.23M 2.36M 68.9M
478 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.11 1 10 14 332K 620K 664K 5.73M
477 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 324K 608K 580K 5.73M
476 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 324K 608K 580K 5.73M
475 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 344K 608K 616K 5.73M
Processes: 56 total, 3 running, 53 sleeping... 152 threads 01:23:01
Load Avg: 1.52, 1.23, 1.13 CPU usage: 51.6% user, 11.5% sys, 36.9% idl
SharedLibs: num = 106, resident = 30.0M code, 2.35M data, 9.55M LinkEdit
MemRegions: num = 6402, resident = 251M + 11.0M private, 205M shared
PhysMem: 63.2M wired, 373M active, 193M inactive, 629M used, 10.6M free
VM: 2.91G + 65.5M 31877(0) pageins, 5682(0) pageouts

PID COMMAND %CPU TIME #TH #PRTS #MREGS RPRVT RSHRD RSIZE VSIZE
1319 top 8.9% 0:10.06 1 14 18 272K 344K 568K 13.6M
1318 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.01 1 10 16 348K 608K 784K 5.73M
1317 login 0.0% 0:00.34 1 12 33 244K 396K 572K 13.7M
1316 Terminal 5.7% 0:12.06 3 61 198 3.40M 10.2M+ 9.68M+ 76.4M+
1315 Microsoft 0.0% 0:00.67 2 72 114 1.75M 9.78M 4.38M 71.8M
1313 Microsoft 0.8% 1:00.51 5 135 252 12.1M 51.8M 27.4M 132M
1150 AppleSpell 0.0% 0:00.08 1 16 21 456K 880K 724K 14.6M
920 Safari 0.0% 19:02.94 6 123 380 21.6M 33.9M 28.8M 127M
919 mozilla-bi 0.0% 7:24.83 13 192 976 66.0M 91.5M 90.4M 441M
500 SecurityAg 0.0% 0:03.69 2 74 107 1.66M 5.28M 2.76M 69.8M
483 CPU Monito 0.8% 2:15.37 1 63 97 1.20M 5.23M 2.36M 68.9M
478 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.11 1 10 14 332K 620K 664K 5.73M
477 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 324K 608K 580K 5.73M
476 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 324K 608K 580K 5.73M
475 tcsh 0.0% 0:00.04 1 10 15 344K 608K 616K 5.73M
470 System Opt 39.1% 32:03.94 10 136 491 78.9M+ 20.8M 58.6M+ 169M

GOOD LUCK :)
emacuser2008

OTE=unclemac;117440]Start with that to see what the offending app or service is. Need to narrow it down to start.

Other things to think about:

1. The HD in the emac is a plain old ATA model, and any emac is now long in the tooth, at least for an ATA drive. Consider a replacement. The bad news is, it is project to swap. Not rocket science, but you do have to dig fairly deep to get to the drive. I can do one in about an hour, having done a few in the past.

2. Could be an OS thing too. The emacs run 10.3 great, which is a big update all around to 10.2. Even 10.4 runs well too. Consider an OS upgrade? A clean install to test with would be a good help, rather than restoring a previous OS.

3. Even with the CPU pegged for whatever reason, you should not see a crash. Sounds like a kernel panic or other severe crash/hang/problem. Beyond a HD or OS issue, you could have another problem hardware related......bad RAM is a common problem

4. Start in Safe Mode (hold down the shift key until you get to the login window/desktop) to see if you still see CPU and/or stability issues.[/QUOTE]

unclemac
10-02-2008, 11:38 AM
Here (http://www.lbodnar.dsl.pipex.com/eMac/eMac-upgrade.html) is a great emac hardware site. Notice the link (http://www.wilko.com/emac/) to the emac take apart guide.

Dive in. :)

Will see if I can find a copy of the Apple eMac serivice manual....

unclemac
10-03-2008, 11:03 PM
OK, let me try to answer some questions:
1. If I could find an emac user manual on the Internet, I would have no problem to attempt to swap my Hard Drive with a new one. Is there an upgraded better Hard Drive Model I can replace the ATA Model with ?? Why did Apple use a plain old ATA Model to handle such technology on an eMac. It does not make any sense........Kudos to you for your experience with Hard Drives. I hesitate to replace my HD, not knowing exactly what the problem is with my emac. I have no idea how much a new HD would cost for my Apple Computer, nor what choices I would have.
Everybody switched to ATA some years back.......they just did. Cheap and big. ATA drives are typically good for somewhere between 3-5 years, so yours is ready to be replaced. Any std ATA drive will do, we can get into details if you decide to move forward.
I ran Sophos Anti Virus on my entire HD / Computer & it found 2 corrupt .html files in my AppleWorks SchoolHouse Fonts, which I deleted from my Computer. How these 2 files got corrupt after I already erased & clean installed my Computer two times within a few weeks ~ I have no idea. AppleWorks got loaded back on my computer from my restore CD, when I did a clean install. Still, no improvement after restart after deleting the 2 corrupt .html files.
Don't put too much faith in this as the cause. Could be a symptom though...
2. I already did a clean install two times. I erased my entire Hard Drive then loaded all Software back on, plus data from my CD's created of my own files. Sophos did not detect any corruption or viruses on any data I reinstalled from my 3 CD's I had created of my own files. Thus, I did not restore prior Operating System.
Good that you ruled that out the OS. Outside chance there is something within your data that is damaged and causing issues, but not the most likely cause.
3. I checked Apple Profiler and 6th Tab contains logs of all CRASHES. There are quite a few. I saved a copy of it & wanted to attach it to this email, but Mac Guru Website file limit is only 19.5 MB and my Apple Profiler Log is 344.8MB ! I feel the root of my Computer Problem is contained in this CRASH LOG. Surely, a knowledgeable person could analyze it and understand it's verbage to determine what is causing these crashes, due to a clogged Processor / System. I could try to compact the file into StuffIt using Drop Zip & got it down to 68KB, but it is still to large to attach. If you are interested to take a look & have an email address, I can separately email this Apple System Profiler TEXT file to you. I am convinced it will reveal the answer to my Computer Problems.
That's a tall order. Sometimes there are clues there, but sometimes not. Not always the answer for us mere mortals.
What is a "kernel panic" ?? What is a kernel ?? My Apple Profiler shows plenty of CRASHES.
Kernal panics (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1392) are essentially OS crashes, just a specific technical term (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_panic) for clarification.

How do I detect / analyze BAD RAM ?? My Apple Profiler shows the correct RAM in my Computer: 128MB Memory Stick & 512MB Memory Stick. I aim to replace the 128MB Memory Stick with a 512MB Memory Stick to get 1024MB total memory on my Computer. MB that will help it ??
No easy way that is 100% fool proof. Macs can be picky, and RAM does go bad.

In your case, you can shut the machine down, and pull the 128. Run it on the 512 only, and see if it is stable. If it in not stable, you know the 128 you pulled is not the culprit. Problem is, you can't really run OS 10 on 128, so it will be hard to pull 512 to see if it is bad.

If you had two 512s, you could pull one at a time and see if either one or the other - or a combination of the two - causes the panics.

You might consider a second 512, but I hate to recommond you sink money into the machine in case there are other issues. More RAM is always better on any platform, but too little RAM will not cause panics. I have run many Macs on as little as 256 with no panics.
4. I will restart my Computer in SAFE MODE & see how it behaves.
Any change in safe mode?
If I do not find my answer at any Emac or OSX Forums, my last resort is to bring my Computer in to Best Buy Geek Squad & pay $70.00 just for them to diagnose my Computer ~ God knows what it will cost after they find the problem. I can install any new memory myself - I have a HEX SET to take apart the monitor myself.
I would recommend against the Geek squad or any other std computer shop. I think they will ring money out you, and not resolve it. They will likley charge you to do everything you have done already. You could spend a couple hundred on the ol' girl, and get nowhere.



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Here's what I would consider:

1. Get a Firewire external drive, and do a clean install on it. Boot to the external drive. No data, just the OS; configure it and use it with the bare minimum of third party software and data.

2-A. Stable? Yes: The emac (logic board, etc.) is OK, RAM is OK, new OS is OK, new external HD is OK. Go to step 3.

2-B. Stable? No: The hard drive and and OS is not the issue. RAM could be bad, emac could be bad (logic board, etc.) Go to step 7.

3. Load your data on the new external HD.

4-A. Still stable with old data? Yes: The emac (logic board, etc.) is OK, RAM is OK, new OS is OK, new external HD is OK, and your data is OK. Go to step 5.

4-B. Still stable with old data? No: The emac (logic board, etc.) is OK, RAM is OK, new OS is OK, new external HD is OK, but your data is the cause. Go to step 6.

5. Stable on external drive. Consider swapping out the internal HD for a new one, or run it from the external firewire drive for the life of the emac.

6. Sort out bad data until stable again. Consider swapping out the internal HD for a new one, or run it from the external firewire drive for the life of the emac.

7. Consider different RAM, or consider a newer Mac. The external Firewire drive is a nice addition to any Mac for backups and storage, so you can still use it, even if you replace the emac.

rwm
10-04-2008, 03:46 PM
Listen to unclemac, it's good, sound troubleshooting that won;'t cost an arm and leg. If you have not and have time..... leave it sit 3-4-5 days and return with a fresh mind.