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rwm
07-17-2006, 06:38 PM
I just setup this 17" Duo Core intel iMac wireless mouse/keyboard. Damn .. it's slick no wires it found my Netgear without problem, seems smooth. Super quiet.

A better display than the older G5 iMac's I saw. I could go for one of these real easy a 10K Raptor and back up to my boxes of drives either the QS/DA. :D My eyes see a big difference.. my 5/6 year old Big ol 19" Hitachi CRT looks fuzzy, not clear, not sharp, ulgy.

I'll get some basic tests run.

rwm
07-18-2006, 08:16 PM
What are these here. (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/103-8677951-8489404?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dblended&keywords=19+LCD&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)

M.Brane
07-18-2006, 08:31 PM
What are these here. (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_hs/103-8677951-8489404?platform=gurupa&url=index%3Dblended&keywords=19+LCD&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go)

Those look like cheap 19" LCDs to me.
























I'm such a smart-ass somtimes. :D

rwm
07-19-2006, 08:01 PM
Those look like cheap 19" LCDs to me :D I dunno myself. I'll make it fit the budget. Gotta beat my ol CRT. :rolleyes:

I really am serious on getting a 17-19" er.

unclemac
07-19-2006, 08:29 PM
FWIW, we buy alot of cheap Acer monitors at work and they have been OK, although we have had a few dead or bad out of the box. Also seeing screen burn in on the Acers, which surprised me, as I thought LCDs were not supposed to be able to get screem burn in.....? Urban myth?

Anyway, I have generally had good luck with Viewsonic, and Dell monitor appear to be pretty good overall, though I don't like to support Dell. You might also check at zipzoomfly for good prices on fresh stock. Be warned though, like most low dollar sellers, you need to know what you want before buy. You don't wanna return anything unless it is for warranty issues. Read the fine print first.

M.Brane
07-19-2006, 10:17 PM
I looked at Fry's today, and the LCD selection was pathetic.

Went across the street to Costco, and almost bought a 19" Princeton for $250. They also had a Viewsonic 20" widescreen for $300 that looked pretty good, but the response/contrast wasn't as good as the 19".

I figured I'd better do some more homework before spending that much $$$.

The old man has an Acer 19" wide, and it looks pretty good. I'm sceptical of their quality though after dealing with a few of their PCs.

Maybe we should start a new thread about the whole cheap LCD thing. I bet it would help others in the same situation.

rwm
07-20-2006, 05:38 PM
Hummmm... A no brand name here on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FS070U/ref=sr_11_1/103-4420652-0122240?ie=UTF8) or this ViewSonic (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FIVDIU/ref=sr_11_1/103-4420652-0122240?ie=UTF8) don't look real bad.

rwm
07-20-2006, 06:18 PM
The 500:1 seems real standard.

M.Brane
07-20-2006, 07:23 PM
OK I see you already moved this stuff here. From the other thread:



I'm really leaning toward the widescreen since I do more horizontal scrolling in ProTools, and I really miss my dual-monitor setup. It's also nice for DVD watching which I find myself doing more of these days. I've always bought the widescreen version of movies.

Will continue the discussion here.

rwm
07-24-2006, 06:16 PM
What will ~225-250 dollars buy? I can't "look and see" before order so it's a damn crap shoot - waiting to see if I guessed good. :D But Locally, drive north 50 miles or south 70 in construction and back that is ~30 bucks in gas, and the local prices are usually higher for usually just a touch lower quality. Other than reading from reviews I am clueless. I want to bite the bullet.. I see 2-3. Wondering if I should get wide screen (for the future - no reason now) or spend that on a better 19" LCD - again not much difference. Heck I might even look at 17"ers too with better quality - run my 19" CRT as a second monitor - always wanted one. The small Costco up north might have something.

I have seen good Viewsonic screens never looked or paid attention to many others.

Damien
07-24-2006, 08:31 PM
I am running a BenQ FP937s 19" LCD and it has been absolutely great. I have heard that BenQ is a division of Acer, why they have 2 names for screens I don't know.

Here's something... many monitors and sales people will tell you that such and such monitor is better because it has a higher brightness rating... well a 350-400 brightness rating is fine (far to bright to begin with IMHO) so if you can choose one in that range with a better speed and contrast rating than the brighter one the guy wants to sell you, do that.

rwm
07-24-2006, 08:43 PM
........higher brightness rating... well a 350-400 brightness rating is fine (far to bright to begin with IMHO) so if you can.......... choose one in that range with a better speed and contrast rating .......... OK, Then where do I want or should I look or find a "better speed and contrast rating" I am a monitor idiot here. :( I have only owned 2 mid range CRT's in all the years - everything else was cheap 12, 13, 15" or smaller but semi current". :rolleyes: We had a discussion about 2 year ago talking about the meaning and importance of each... brightness, contrast, speed, but I have long forget and "the standards" have changed.

Ideally run my 19" Hitachi and some thing new from my GF Ti4600 ;)

M.Brane
07-24-2006, 10:04 PM
I've done a little reading. There's some pretty good reviews over at Tom's Hardware.

Apparantly the widescreens are not so good at displaying video, and gaming compared to the standard TFTs in the same price range due to the generally slower response times, and something called overdrive. Kinda sucks since video is a big reason you'd buy a widescreen anyway.

Been too busy with other stuff to do much research lately. :rolleyes:

unclemac
07-24-2006, 11:44 PM
Hi ya Randy,

OK, outside of resolutions, LCDs specs are measured differently than CRTs for the most part. Here are some specs for an ASUS 19" LCD I just grabbed:



Max. Resolution: SXGA 1280x1024
Pixel Pitch: 0.264mm
Brightness (Max.): 400cd
Contrast Ratio (Max.): 700:1
Viewing Angle (H/V): 150°/130°
Response Time: 8ms (Tr+Tf)


Resolution: Keep in mind that most LCDs only look good at their native resolution. You can run 'em at a lower resolution, but most look pretty fuzzy.

Pixel Pitch: Same as CRT, small is better.

Brightness: used to be a bigger deal with LCDs, but most current LCDs are bright enough that it is not a concern for regular users. As for being too bright....the nice thing is, one can always turn the brightness down, but you can never make a monitor brighter than it max setting.

Contrast Ratio: Higher is better. Anything over about 500 is good/very good.

Viewing Angle: Ya ever notice if you look at an LCD from an angle, you can't see the image? This rating tells you how far off center you can be and still see.....higher is better. Unless you don't want coworkers snooping. Then lower is better. Horizontal and Vertical measurements for each axis.

Response Time: Lower is better. How fast each lil' pixel can draw the color when tasked.....games and video demand fast times for silky smooth playback. Read somewhere that 12ms is a good minimum for gaming, but 8ms is plenty fast. Some LCDs are as fast a 3ms, now, but considering just a couple years back the bigger LCD were in the mid 20ms, any modern LCD at 12ms or less should be just fine for regular use. If you are really concerned or wanna do full time TV or something, go with 8ms or less to be sure.


Watch out for old stock on sale, but other than that, if you see specs in the same ball park as above, you will have a current LCD and should be a happy camper.

babbkutz
07-25-2006, 09:01 AM
buy a widescreen on one of their sales and be happy

rwm
07-25-2006, 12:31 PM
Thanks Unc and those are same or similar to other I've looked at. babbkutz, I have never watched a movie not one and rarely game much. I was flopping back and forth on the new vs. proven hardware. A year or so ago.. I did not care for a friends "screen look" on a 23" G5 iMac - it was never adjusted either.. don't know if that would have helped. I am leaning towards a regular 17/19" LCD.

Been too busy with other stuff to do much research lately. Same here.. Very little forum help this week. :rolleyes:

Things always seem to roll back to the "norm" just hope this is not the new norm. :D

Damien
07-25-2006, 12:57 PM
I do very little video viewing on my monitor (the 42" widescreen TV takes care of that) I do some gaming and my LCD at 12ms works just fine.

Pixel pitch and viewing angle you will notice go hand in hand. If you are the only user on your computer and will never have occasion to have someone looking over your shoulder or doing any presentations you can sacrifice viewing angle in favor of a screen with better resolution or better response time.

I guess the first thing is to determine your needs and how much you want to spend. Then balance the specs to fit.

If you want a crisp picture that looks good from everywhere in the room then contrast ratio and viewing angle are the specs to look for.

If you need 300 frames per second in Doom 3 then look for response time.

if your nearly blind (or would like to be) then look for a higher brightness rating.

If you are a light gamer and general computer user nearly any name brand new (not old stock) would likely suit your needs

rwm
07-25-2006, 01:45 PM
If you are a light gamer and general computer user nearly any name brand new (not old stock) would likely suit your needs Yep, thats me. ;) I also agree - or think that most any new monitor should meet my needs.

I bought my Raptor drive "just to see/feel" it for myself. I really don't need the speed bump which I wondered if I'd even notice. But I noticed it and love it. :D

rwm
07-25-2006, 04:21 PM
I guess the first thing is to determine your needs and how much you want to spend. Then balance the specs to fit.
If you want a crisp picture that looks good from everywhere in the room then contrast ratio and viewing angle are the specs to look for.
If you need 300 frames per second in Doom 3 then look for response time.
If your nearly blind (or would like to be) then look for a higher brightness rating. I plan to run them both off the 4600. I know it might be better to have another PCI graphics card. But 64 MB per screen will work just fine.
I am thinking about 225 bucks .. a tad more if needed or less if possible.
I don't need to show the room area. So primarily it is just me in front of my main monitor.
Don't need 300 fps, UT is the only game I own.
I am getting where I have a hard time seeing close up crap like 4-10 inches. Otherwise I see good. ;)

rwm
07-26-2006, 06:30 PM
Well what I've found.... in 19" LCD's

The Dell's have nice specs and a higher price.
Viewsonic jumps out on most sites with good specs and good prices. (clueless to quality).
Acer is found all over ... specs are sometimes not as good. But a decent spec/price is there.

It is hard to tell with the Acer or Viewsonic's there are so many different 19 inch models in each - with similar spec/price. :confused: I don't want to lose space. A decent wide screen would allow 2 windows side by side better.

I need to measure my screen size here on this Hitachi to better compare the various LCD sizes.

16:10 seems to be a common/standard wide screen ratio but sometimes only 1440 x 900. Rather find 1280 x 1024. FWIW... I run my current 19" CRT at 1152 x 864.

Keep on searching and reading.......... :D

unclemac
07-26-2006, 09:01 PM
Another thought:

LCDs have much fewer resolutions to choose from. Most 17" and 19" LCDs top out at 1280 x 1024, which is also optimum - the best image. Since both are the same, 19" LCDs give no more real estate.....everything is a bit bigger than on a 17". If you sit farther back, a 19" is better. If you sit up close, not a big deal.

Since your CRT does 1280 x 1024, set it to that and you can see exactly how much room you will get with a standard 17" or 19" at max/optimum resolution. (4 x 3 ratio).

Notice that 20" LCDs have a higher resolution? More real estate, which for some is more important than the extra inch. ...That's what she said!

I actully like the 16 x 9 better cause you get more side-by-side room, which makes it nice for multiple documents or floating palettes. Keep in mind that 4 x 3 resolutions looked scrunched or letterboxed on a 16 x 9 screen, and visa-versa. You are gonna wanna run native (optimum) resolution whatever you end up with, so be sure you decide the resolution before you buy.

Here (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=232503) is a 20" viewsonic that looks darn good for the price: DVI+VGA in, good specs, 3 yr warranty. A bit more than you have budgeted, but looks like a good deal to me.

Do remember to check the maker's specs on there web site no matter which monitor you pick, as some times seller like this get specs/info/picture wrong. I hate surprises when I buy on line.

rwm
07-26-2006, 09:24 PM
Uncle, that is nice looking. I just realized I was by passing the 1440 x xxxx - crap the 1440 looked odd. More thought here idiot.

I like this 19" at 1152 x 864 or 1280 x 1024.

Tired are my eyes :rolleyes:

unclemac
07-26-2006, 10:32 PM
I like this 19" at 1152 x 864 or 1280 x 1024.

Just remember, most (all?) 19" can't do 1152 x 864, so if you want higher resolution than 1280 x 1024, you gotta get a 20" or bigger. Most 20s are optimum at 1400x1050.

I checked the viewsonic page (http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/graphicseries/vg2021m/index.htm). Looks good.

Just noticed, sure enough, zipzoomfly has a spec or two wrong.....they have one line wrong where they list res at 1440x900, which is for a 16 x 9 unit.

TZ
07-27-2006, 02:44 AM
The ViewSonic G90f (CRT, not LCD, I have 18" VE800 1280 x 1024 which I am pleased and happy with) will do pretty much anything you want. In part I think their G-series and with 200MHz video bandwidth, support for up to 95Hz and anything from 1024 x 968 (or even lower) to 1600 x 1200.

Damien
07-27-2006, 04:03 AM
My 19" LCD BenQ has 14 possible resolutions and 1152x870 is one. I run it at 1280x1024 (native). Since I have a 4/3 screen I probably have more choices than a 16/9

TZ
07-27-2006, 07:18 AM
What ever happened to "fixed resolution" or only looking good at native resolution? Have to tell you that I didn't realize they could, though maybe recent changes? and option to pivot displays?

rwm
07-27-2006, 03:20 PM
This BenQ here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014111) looks good. Will the 2ms be better than 8ms or is it a non issue or would 8ms + .26 pitch be better than 2ms + .29 dot pitch? How much difference is there "real world" between a .26 vs. .29 dot pitch?

I'd rather run at 1280 x 1024 but 1152 x 864 is clearer now. My monitor is just looong past due. A decent monitor would probably look fine or clear on my eyes. Just guessing my face is usually 20+ inches back from the screen.

I am sure most any of these 19 inch ViewSonic's (http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/) would be a treat to me.

rwm
07-27-2006, 04:43 PM
Any info on Samsung (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EGCAGC/ref=e_deav_acc_1_1/103-4420652-0122240?ie=UTF8)

Damien
07-27-2006, 05:56 PM
If I understand it correctly pitch is the depth of each LCD diode. A deeper diode would cut the angle at which light can leave the diode to reach your eyes. The higher the pitch the less viewing angle you will have.

Since you plan no presentations or over the shoulder veiwers I would get the faster 2ms one.

rwm
07-27-2006, 05:58 PM
This ViewSonic (http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product_Code=VIW+VX922&JRSource=DealTime.datafeed.VIW+VX922) looks decent. I think. :p

This is like picking a house color. - Just buy it or one of these posted or similar. Tomorrow :D

rwm
07-27-2006, 07:06 PM
My current 19" Hitachi is connected to the VGA port/slot out.

So will/should a 19" LCD with DVI in fit my DVI port/slot out.

Damien
07-28-2006, 10:50 AM
Yes it should work and as long and as the Ti4600 is a dual head card you can run both screens at the same time. I don't remember for sure if that card is a dually though... anyone?

rguising
07-28-2006, 11:42 AM
The Ti is a dually, but it needs the power slot found in G4 Quicksilver's and MDD's. IE there is a tab for power on those logic boards. I think the DA's also have this (any model that was originally ADC compatible basically). Which leaves out Sawtooths and perhaps Gig-Ethernets.

Also, it is a ADC and a DVI port. The ADC is the port which requires that power slot (if I remember right).

rwm
07-28-2006, 04:09 PM
Also, it is a ADC and a DVI port. The ADC is the port which requires that power slot (if I remember right). I think it was a dually too. I got it from K. The ADC slot <-> CRT/VGA via an adapter.

kaye
07-28-2006, 05:23 PM
And I don't remember much about that GF4 ti card Randy. I do believe that I had it running in my QS but never used the ADC port. k

rwm
07-28-2006, 07:24 PM
Also, it is a ADC and a DVI port. The ADC is the port which requires that power slot (if I remember right). I am confused now. :o

Crap I just lost a big post. :mad:

rwm
07-28-2006, 08:07 PM
Well crap no I mean shit I had a reply with about 6 monitors I wanted you all to take a peek at and right at the end Safari crashed .... it very rarely crashes on me. :o OK, I don't think I want the wide view, HD, 16:10 or whatever itês called. Here are a few... I lost a few off my first list... some ship free, they seem o spec about the same. Gaining a little more screen space sounds nice so a 20" looks good but some of these 19's are bigger than mine.

Viewsonic VG2021M 20in Multimedia LCD Monitor $250 zipzoom, w/rebate, free s/h (http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/graphicseries/vg2021m/index.htm)
ViewSonic VA912B 19" LCD Monitor $220 at Amazon (http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/valueseries/va912b/index.htm)
ViewSonic VX922 19" LCD Monitor $220 w/rebate J&R (http://viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/xseries/vx922/index.htm)
Samsung SyncMaster 920N 19" $200 at Amazon. (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Analog/LS19MJAKBZXAA.asp)
SAMSUNG SyncMaster 19" TFT LCD Flat-Panel Monitor 930B $250 at Amazon (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/BI19BSSB.asp)
BenQ FP93GX Black 19" 2ms LCD Monitor $240 at new egg
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824014111)

Any comments appreciated. I hate rebates but will do. I had one that was 2ms that would be better - right? I can't find it now.

These will all sparkle to me and probably can't tell a difference.

Thanks,

unclemac
07-28-2006, 08:38 PM
My Ti:

Chipset Model: GeForce4 Ti 4600
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 128 MB
Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0250
Revision ID: 0x00a3
ROM Revision: 1109

Has one DVI and ADP port. Not sure they are all the same though. Running fine in the DA 466.....scavenged out of a DOA MDD.

I think any of those would be fine. I would be tempted to pop for the 20"......but every Viewsonic and Samsung I have seen/used has been very good. I really like the specs and of the Viewsonic VX 922:

• 2 ms
• contrast is 650:1

Nice looking too.......quite a few low end LCD cases look dang cheap.

rwm
07-28-2006, 09:23 PM
That ViewSonic VX922 is about an inch bigger in all 3 directions V H D than my Hitachi.

The 20" is very tempting giving me 3 inches more in some places.

rwm
07-28-2006, 09:39 PM
My Ti

Chipset Model: GeForce4 Ti 4600
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 128 MB
Vendor: nVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0250
Revision ID: 0x00a3
ROM Revision: 1105 - did I miss a firmware update?

rwm
07-28-2006, 10:05 PM
ViewSonic VX922 19" LCD Monitor $220 w/rebate J&R -
Out of stock..... :(

Wait ... I found some others that say "in stock". :D

yeungfeng
07-29-2006, 12:03 AM
IMHO Viewsonic puts out a good product. I've got a Pro series CRT that has worked flawlessly for 8+ yrs. Based on that I found Office Depot had them on sale + rebate this Spring.....I got one. It's the Value Series, which was all I felt I could Spring ( :p) for, and $200, I thought it was a great price for more desk space, easier on the eyes too. It's not crystal clear, at the less than optimal native setting. I still like it! If one also considers, that is all that they make, visual items, they have to keep their quality high, it gets my vote.

rwm
08-01-2006, 01:23 PM
The ViewSonic 922 has jumped twice on the price over this last week. I was about to order it ad found this ..... 20", .255 dot pitch, 5ms - and only ~15-25 bucks more than the 19" ViewSonic.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=232479&ps=hot0

I think it's a done deal right after editing this post again. :D

rwm
08-01-2006, 03:28 PM
After getting pissed off at ZipZoomFly's registration... (never ordered there) I about ordered the Viewsonic VX922 19" LCD... I Searched for better prices on the...
"Samsung 204B-Black SyncMaster 20.1n Analog/Digital LCD Monitor (Black) Retail ***Free Shipping*** " and found everyone $340+ and s/h.

So went back to zipzoom and took the re-bait..... I ordered the Samsung - 2nd day Air. :o :p :dance: a whole lot more than expected for 50 bucks over my budget... works good here as long as the monitor is nice.

rwm
08-02-2006, 06:43 PM
Unc's 20" ViewSonic (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=232503) might have been the deal.

Damn I hate buying sight unseen. :mad: I be seeing sight unseen 20" Samsung on Friday... :dance: :dance: :dance: ;) I hope it goes well.

Still screwing wist my Giga. :o

unclemac
08-02-2006, 08:55 PM
No worries Randy. Your pick has better specs - faster and better contrast. Very thin bezel too.....sexy. :p

Based on specs, it looks like a better LCD panel and a nicer case, for a few bucks more. If it does you well for the next few years, you'll never look back.

The next time we do this, you'll be debating over the 42" for $199 vs. the 48" for $249. :D

rwm
08-02-2006, 09:37 PM
The next time we do this, you'll be debating over the 42" for $199 vs. the 48" for $249. Yep, :D

M.Brane
08-02-2006, 10:05 PM
LOL@uncle. :D

I bit the bullet, and picked up one of these (http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/valueseries/va2012wb/index.htm) at Costco for $300.

Just hooked it up, and getting it dialed in. So far I like it. Lots more room for sure, and no more buzz when recording guitars in front of it.

Boyd 9
08-03-2006, 09:17 AM
I, too, was contemplating purchasing one of those models at Costco.... had one in my cart, in fact.

I was disappointed that the display, apparently, does not adjust up or down, though (my current display, Apple 17 LCD, is resting on stacks of unused CD Jewel boxes to get the height just right).

Do let us know if you like it. As far as I can tell, the viewsonic has gotten wonderful reviews

PS: The firmware on my Ti 4600 card is also 1105..... can the 1109 firmware upgrade still be found/downloaded?

rguising
08-03-2006, 09:41 AM
I think StrangeDogs has links to that, you would need to ask those guys... There is definitely a way with Graphiccsaccelerator, but honestly.. if Apple never released an updater, then I do not think I would bother with it. (ie too risky to make a paperweight).

unclemac
08-03-2006, 11:24 AM
I would agree about the Ti firmware. Ain't broke, don't fix it.

----

I did look at your model Samsung Randy, and it adjusts up and down, and pivots too. Pretty cool. Have a few HP LCDs at work that do the same. Nice.

rwm
08-03-2006, 12:38 PM
I should see it tomorrow .. had them send it 2 day FedEx $19 :D I always take the "free" shipping but wanted this bad. Glad I went 20" I think. I still am a little confused about how the 4:3 or 16:10 will look/work for me and if I'll will have wanted the other. I don't think I'll be disappointed... but later might realize a need for more horizontal space.

I also see no mention of cables included with mine... hummm they have to right. :rolleyes:

unclemac
08-03-2006, 01:34 PM
Every decent monitor I have seem comes with cables, so I would not worry.

I think a 20" is big enough for general use that either ratio will be more than enough.....he said, typing at a single 17" 4:3 LCD.

I still have two old 15" Samsung LCDs at work. Not for long though....gotta rig one 15" to span the desktop of my fancy new MacBookPro. :D

Boyd 9
08-03-2006, 03:42 PM
Here's a couple of firmware links I found at the Apple site. They don't mention the Ti 4600 card. As rguising and unclemac said, 'if it ain't broke.....' (always good advice, by my way of thinkin')

(information)
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75504

(download link)
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120168

This was, pretty much, all that turned up at Apple's website, after doing several searches & try different combinations of keywords.

rwm
08-03-2006, 05:25 PM
Is it real thing or a "simulation" (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=24%2D001%2D226%2D13%2Ejpg%2C24 %2D001%2D226%2D02%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D03%2Ejp g%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D04%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D0 5%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D06%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D2 26%2D07%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D08%2Ejpg%2C24%2D0 01%2D226%2D09%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D10%2Ejpg%2C 24%2D001%2D226%2D11%2Ejpg%2C24%2D001%2D226%2D12%2E jpg&CurImage=24%2D001%2D226%2D13%2Ejpg&Description=SAMSUNG+204B%2DBlack+Black+20%2E1%22+5 ms++LCD+Monitor+with+Height%2C+Pivot%2C+Tilt+Adjus tments+%2D+Retail) looks :kickass:

M.Brane
08-03-2006, 06:33 PM
I, too, was contemplating purchasing one of those models at Costco.... had one in my cart, in fact.

I was disappointed that the display, apparently, does not adjust up or down, though (my current display, Apple 17 LCD, is resting on stacks of unused CD Jewel boxes to get the height just right).

Do let us know if you like it. As far as I can tell, the viewsonic has gotten wonderful reviews

Yeah only a tilt adjustment, but the stand is sturdy. I'm 6', and the top edge of the display is at eye level when at my desk. The stand is easily removed though so you could use a wall mount or some moveable kind of arm. I'm thinking of doing the latter myself. The viewing angle seems to be pretty good. Have to get to about 45 degreees before it looks bad.

The overall quality of the display for the price seems good to me. There is some minor aliasing with iTunes visuals, and games. Nothing distracting though. Most people wouldn't even notice it. I watched a little of a DVD last night that was mostly older film footage, and I could notice the flaws in the original film a lot more than with my old CRT or my TV. It's pretty sharp.

The color seems quite good too for a LCD. Probably not good enough for production graphics work, but looks good to me.

This thing can get very bright. I'm running the brightness on 25%.

rwm
08-03-2006, 06:55 PM
This thing can get very bright. I'm running the brightness on 25%. Daimen said that you really did not need a lot of color... so that's in line with his observations too.

rwm
08-04-2006, 09:53 PM
Wow I like this. I can't tell where to set it = 1280 x 1040... or where it defaulted to my system setting of 1152 x 870. It looks nice - takes up no room or desk space. I cant even see putting my other back up here... I need a match now. :D

M.Brane
08-04-2006, 10:20 PM
LCDs look best at their native resolution. I'm running mine at 1680x1050. Almost as good as dual 17s. :kickass:

I watched a movie on it last night, and other than some minor aliasing during very dark scenes it looks great.

rwm
08-04-2006, 10:42 PM
Then it's 1600 x 1200 but the only option is @60Hz :( It don't flicker. Dif CRT/LCD?

I did not install the software.

M.Brane
08-04-2006, 10:51 PM
I have 60 or 75. I tried 75 for a while, but I think it looks better at 60. I got used to running the high CRT refresh too.

I didn't install the software either. I don't see the point. Must be a Windows thing. :p

M.Brane
08-04-2006, 11:12 PM
I just hooked up the speakers. They are terrible! :crossbne: My Pismo sounds better, and that's not saying much. LOL

Of course I'm an audio bigot................... :p

rwm
08-05-2006, 11:34 AM
I am still playing with this. Had a few hours last night and just booted up.

I don't think I have any speakers ... was not looking for any because this all runs to my amp/speakers.

I ran it with the DVI to DVI connection last night but am using the DVI- to VGA today. I need to swap tables and CPU's around.

rwm
08-05-2006, 04:12 PM
I need a used/refurb 17"/19" to go with this. I think I would have taken Amazon up on the buy the 19" and get a 17" for $xyz and have two slick screens.

When you connect dual monitors how important is the size of each?

M.Brane
08-05-2006, 05:09 PM
I used to run a 17", and an old Apple 13" side-by-side. It takes a little tweaking to get the positioning right so the cursor goes straight across to the other screen, but it's definately doable.

I didn't want the speakers, but a lot of the widescreens have 'em. They pretty much sound like ass. I disconnected 'em.

I need to find an ADC-DVI adaptor. I bet the picture quality would be better than running off the VGA.

A better video card would be nice too. Wanna sell your GeForce 4ti? :D

rwm
08-21-2006, 04:26 PM
I do like this. I see how wider could be better for documents side by side. This is better than I was expecting. I have it connected DVI <-> DVI to a GF Ti4600 128MB.

rwm
11-01-2006, 03:08 PM
Finally, my $60.00 rebate arrived.... :kickass: I'll add it to my DuoCore fund. :D

M.Brane
11-01-2006, 05:22 PM
Gotta love those speedy rebates.

I finally got the ADC>DVI adaptor, but the Rage Pro won't do 1680x1050 off the ADC port. :mad:

The VGA isn't bad. :rolleyes:

Nicolas
11-25-2006, 06:36 PM
19"
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS19MBPXFVXAA.asp

21"
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS21DPWABXAA.asp

24"
http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Multi_Function/PO24FSSBS.asp

rwm
11-26-2006, 05:48 PM
I have been real happy with the Samsung 204B (http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS20BRDBSQXAA.asp?page=Specifications) I bought. DVI <-> DVI

M.Brane
11-26-2006, 06:41 PM
I robbed the GeForce2MX out of the DA I just bought, and it supports 1680x1050 off the ADC port in Panther. Unfortunately not in 9, but it doesn't stretch it too bad. UT is definately playable as long as I don't use the rocket launcher to throw grenades too much. It doesn't like that. Artifact city.