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FrozenTundra
10-26-2001, 03:44 PM
Hello All,

I have finally recieved my 10 dual 800mhz Silverbullets. Yeah!!!

but........ I they do me little good without my X 15 Cheetahs to go with them. The Mac's came in and are at my vendor waiting to be put through integration. That of course can't happen until I recieve the x 15's to put in them.

I have an outstanding order for 12 36GB x15 cheetahs. Can anyone fill it?

This is almost as frustrating as getting a new bike for Christmas and having 2 feet of snow on the ground.

Thanks,
Tim

kaye
10-26-2001, 07:04 PM
Tim,

I don't see them anywhere, even in the 20-pack, if it is the ST336752LW you are looking for. I don't know what is going on with Seagate. All those G2 X15s in the LW models have dried up. I have six of the G2 X15 ST318452LW on order since 09/06/01. k

Damien
10-26-2001, 09:31 PM
I have 2 of the ST318452LW's ordered and am still waiting....

Deb says that Seagate has said early November.

I received my ATTO dually card and have no drives to connect to it http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I guess I could hook up my Seagate 700MB 5 1/4" Full height scsi 2 drive and max it out to a FULL 10MB a sec well maybe not

FrozenTundra
10-30-2001, 02:57 PM
Hello,

Thanks for the info, even if its not what I wanted to hear.

I would love to know what problem Seagate is having in manufacturing. Seagate has not even given me a date or explanatin. So the beig question is what do I do with my Dual 800 workstations in the mean time.

Trying to be positive, if my staff gets used to these workstations running off there internal drives then I have a built in speed bump when the drives come in. This is great I will just make it part of my continous improvement plan.

Let me know if anyone hears what the hold up is.

Thanks,
FT

dragon_x
10-30-2001, 06:59 PM
blame it on the Taliban!
http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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To boldly go where no english professor has gone before! -)

ricks
10-31-2001, 12:56 AM
I guess it's a waste of breath to tell someone named Frozen Tundra to chill huh? http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FrozenTundra
10-31-2001, 10:02 AM
Hello,

Rarely does a pun actaully make me laugh, but ..... I did like the "chill" comment.

Since it looks like there is some major hold up at Seagate. What would be the next best drives to use?

I already have ATTO UL3D cards installed in my 800's. If it is going to be several months I will want to go to a plan B. Of course I don't currently have a plan B.

What seems to be a logical plan B?

Thanks,
FrozenTundra

ricks
10-31-2001, 03:53 PM
Hey FT,
There just aren,t all that many manufacturers to choose from. Seagate,Maxtor,Fujitsu,Western,...who am I missin?

Seagate, go to 10ks? Whats the newest, the 36ES I think. Storage reviews review on it: http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200110/20011011ST336706LW_1.html
Great proven drives that in a RAID may give plenty of performance. You'd have to do the math to see what the percentage of drop off would be from a 15k Cheetah.

Maxtors new AtlasIII.
Review: http://www.storagereview.com/map/lm.cgi/KW073L8
Another 10k offering that probably can't compete with the Cheetah 10k in reliability, performance comparisons are subject to each individuals interpretations.

Fujitsu, the 15k enterprise drive is new, and that is always a problem when reliability is concerned. However 5 year warranty and enterprise support make it a possible replacement. review: http://www.storagereview.com/map/lm.cgi/MAN3367

Western Digital, probably nothing to interest you, my ignorance may be getting in the way on this one though, I just don't know much about them.

Rick

You know, since finances are not a great big deal, set up one enclosure with the drive of your choice (or second choice) and test it.

Make sure you publish so the rest of us will know whether that was a good choice. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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TZ
11-01-2001, 11:57 AM
I'd go with either the 18 or 36GB Atlas 10k III. I have (2) 10k IIs and they are decent performers - and outperform my 10k Cheetah. I also have one of the 2G X15's which I think is over-priced even for 55MB/s speeds. Even though Ultrastar is slow, it is very reliable, quiet (except for confirmation every 10 minutes when it does a swish self-test).

At $209 for 18GB 10k III, load up!

Anyone seen or heard where the IBM X15 is?

Gregory

dragon_x
11-01-2001, 05:24 PM
I'm not sure how reliable an UltraStar is. I bought two and one has already died. Not a big sample rate for sure, but not a good sign either. IBM had issue with some batches of their DeskStar series to - so maybe there is some bad MOJO?

YMMV

Anyone seen or heard where the IBM X15 is?
I'm sure Seagate is hard at work on the IBM drive technology http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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FrozenTundra
11-01-2001, 07:10 PM
Hello,

Big Blue's X15 is as much of an unknown as Seagates.

IBM will not confirm a time table regarding availablity.

I did hear that I have a snowballs chance of having my x15 Cheetahs by the mid of November.

I guess now I just have to figure out when its going to snow. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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Damien
11-01-2001, 07:39 PM
sniffle sniffle ...........


all I want are 2 measly little drives not like Mr. Tundra who wants 427 drives I just want 2 (for now....)

Seagate where are you???????

Damien
11-06-2001, 12:02 PM
Deb just told me she expects them this week!

ricks
11-06-2001, 03:32 PM
Ah Damien, those have got to be words that'll warm the cockles of even Frozen Tundras heart.

FrozenTundra
11-08-2001, 06:56 PM
Did you all feel that?

The earth moved......... I have confirmation that Seagate is finally shipping some of these drives.

I still don't have mine but they are supposed to be here in about a week.


Take Care,
FrozenTundra

Damien
11-11-2001, 10:47 AM
Deb was apparently misled.......

(sigh)

Santilli
11-14-2001, 05:54 PM
Deskstar=Deathstar;-)=later Deadstar
gs

FrozenTundra
11-15-2001, 01:00 AM
Hello Again,

As it turns out, in about a week is next week.

I've been told the disk is in the mail.

My shiny new Macs are all running great so far. I can't wait to get these drives though.

When I do, what is the prefered speed test to run for reporting here. I would like to follow through on reporting performance specs. I will be doing some real world graphics Photoshop tests to satisfy myself. I am sure that there is a more common benchmark test that is more relavant here.

See Ya,
FrozenTundra

dragon_x
11-15-2001, 06:01 PM
I like Intech QuickBench. I think it has more options than ATTO's utilities.

Real world in X and Classic would also be good. Doing things like
folder duplication
folder/file copy (drive to drive, paritition to partition, scsi ->IDE, etc..)
photoshop scratch drives (although the best solution is LOTS O RAM http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

FrozenTundra
11-21-2001, 06:54 PM
They are here, installed and running. http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/dance.gif

The install went smooth. The real world experience is amazing.

Photoshop is just flying. I will try to get some time tests done and report back. Does Gurus have a standard test app and protocol so my report would be relavant to some other bench marks.

FrozenTundra

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kaye
11-22-2001, 12:00 AM
Tim,

The ATTO ExpressPro-Tools test, set to 8MB, Sample Size 2, System Disk Cache not checked, and the Intech QuickBench 1.5, both the 1MB and 10MB tests. k

FrozenTundra
11-30-2001, 08:29 AM
Where can I get the intech quickbench app?

Thanks,

FT

ricks
11-30-2001, 01:50 PM
FT,
Check your email.