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ChrisYip
02-27-2001, 08:55 AM
It's always intriguing to compare the "home-built" approach vs the storebuilt version.

I just built up a 2 x 36 GB Raid 1 array w/ 3 Ult HD coolers in a 4 bay MAP5041 enclosure with upgraded Granite cabling and a Granite LVD terminator - all ordered up via the 'Gurus. - I just got the VISA bill so I can convert the cost into CDN $ (ouch with the 1.54 conversion factor)...

Now just for grins, I took a look at the Dell Storage site and to spec' something relatively close - 4 x 18 GB 10K drives in an external enclosure etc.. would have cost nearly TWICE as much (in CDN dollars) and that was with the Higher Education discount... (and w/o the 15% tax)...

Astounding - and given that my time to build the array (i.e. an hour) is certainly not worth that much (I wish) what a deal it is to build on your own, or have the Gurus do it for you...

Clearly a benefit of the "Roll Your Own Raid" philosophy...

Chris

magician
02-27-2001, 06:51 PM
not only that, Chris, I would wager that what you built outperforms their unit, and you surely used better components. Companies like Dell don't want you to KNOW about cabling. You can assume that most of them don't worry about PVC vs TPO or Teflon. They use the most affordable components that will do the job, and don't see a virtue in over-engineering for performance, longevity, or quality. In fact, if you remember that they often sell "support contracts" along with such units, you can see that it is sometimes in their interest NOT to use the best hardware, cables, connectors and terminators, within reason of course. It's a balancing act thing, and all targeted at getting more of your money. It's eased for them because they are primarily getting corporate or institutional money: most end users don't roll arrays (though they can, if they know where to look for guidance).

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we looked at the RAID market a long time ago, and realized very quickly that we could not only build a better unit if we rolled our own, but over time, so many people begged us to sell them the units we had built that we had to start selling them. The problem we have now is that demand is far outstripping our ability to build. I could keep two guys busy doing nothing but building arrays five days a week if I could afford to finance better facilities, train guys who were locked into at least one-year contracts, etc. That sort of thing. It's a problem for us now, as we can't turn arrays around as fast as we would like to, and we can't dream of marketing them harder, because there is no way we can handle the volume given our current staffing.

as you realize, there is no real rocket science to rolling an array. Sure, we have a few little secrets that go into a Gurus-built unit. But the essentials are in the RYOR tutorial.

oh, well. I guess it's better to have these problems than others. I just wish I could find a cooler-looking enclosure that had a good power supply and easy to build design. If I had time, I would just go to Taiwan for a month, and make a deal. Maybe this Summer.

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thanks for letting me vent.

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Michael
02-27-2001, 08:45 PM
maybe it's time for an investor?
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Louie
02-27-2001, 09:23 PM
If you went to Formosa to buy enclosures; you'd come back with a Chinese missy-ma instead.

magician
02-27-2001, 11:18 PM
maybe a VC or something....we could probably use some adult leadership around here to catapult us to the next level so we can compete squarely with the superstores....revolutionizing that industry in the process.

what we do here is a little unusual, which is good....and I think the model has stood the test of time and profitability well. But to really seize new marketshare and establish the penetration of the brandname and the reputation beyond its current region, yes, we would need some big capital....and some adult leadership. I would hesitate to do stuff I don't like to do. I'd rather hang out on the forums and write pages and get back to playing with hardware more.

actually, I don't share that asian chick fetish so many Americans have....not sure why. I did spend some time in Korea, so maybe I got it out of my system? I also find them very bossy. This whole geisha myth....well, that's what it is. I remember a pal of mine named Spike (really, that was his name) married a Chinese woman....she was amazing and horrible. She lived on a ball of rice a day, and put all his money in the bank. He was allowed one six pack of beer a week. And she made him eat right. He got steaks, but not whenever he wanted.

he also owned his house, and had another that was a rental property. That was like fifteen years ago. He's either divorced and broke, or still married, somewhat enslaved, and rich as hell.

I realize I am generalizing and lumping all asian women into one huge category....but it really seems to me, dumb as I am, that all asian cultures foster that geisha myth in one form or another....and they really are very matriarchal societies. The women are the strength behind the facade of the men. I guess you see that in a lot of cultures. Maybe I'm just an idiot.

I do know that that woman had Spike under control. And she worked like two jobs. And she saved. And she took care of her mother. And she was this little itty bitty woman, and Spike feared her more than God.

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Michael
02-28-2001, 08:55 AM
just exactly what fetish do you have?

harking back to a thread of conversation quite a while back, here's something of interest. http://www.lpsg.org/
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i'll keep my eyes open in relation to your business observations. hmmmmmm
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magician
02-28-2001, 09:56 PM
redheads, I guess.

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Michael
03-02-2001, 09:26 AM
harmless enough, i guess.
M

magician
03-02-2001, 05:11 PM
yeah, I'm a fairly normal 'merican male.

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batmantis00
03-07-2001, 03:29 AM
ill sign a one year contract if you teach me stuff (and promise i can pay off student loans in a timely fashion, assuming i dont blow it on hardware). also, im learning mandarin since im moving to china anyway. id make a trip to taiwan in a heart beat.