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tm311
02-18-2001, 06:06 PM
Is it possible once i have set up an FTP site to upload images such as PDF's or Jpg's in such a way that a client can view these images with a standard web browser like IE or netscape? I am working in prepress and at times need instant approvals from a client 20 miles away. Email tends to get a bit clunky and it would be better for me if this client could merely click on a web address...if so how do i go about this? I can upload the PDF to the ftp address and then email her the address and then she can download if with a ftp client.....but is there a way to do it different?

Dogstarman
02-18-2001, 06:34 PM
There are surely ways to do this. I focus more on the back-end (I know....poor words) of the graphics business....hardware, etc. So in my work, I know there are numerous ways, but I cannot recommend any off the top of my head.

Now, if your client is using a Mac, you could just use your iDisk and create a photo album. That's neat and easy. If only we all had at least one Mac at our disposal. Well, then again, some of us have enough for everyone. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MacMikester
02-20-2001, 09:45 PM
Hey tm311,

I am by no means an image/prepress expert but I do know that your question raises a lot of issues. If you want somebody to view the work in a browser it must be at an http// url and not an ftp// url. If you upload your work to a webpage address (http//), you translate that work into a much more limited colorspace than in which it was designed (unless you are designing for the web with a "websafe" palette).

Anyone can download the (compressed/encoded) file from your ftp site and then open it in a viewing application of their choice, in the same colorspace. This will still be modified by their particular monitor color profile, etc. Unless all color profiles are known and accounted for, this will not be a terribly accurate way to proof artwork. Overall design and layout, etc. will be accurate.

magician
02-20-2001, 11:52 PM
good replies, guys.

for the customer to view your images in a browser, they must be served by a webserver.

in other words, you run a webserver, and simply FTP your files up to a directory, doublecheck your URL, and email it to the customer. They can simply click on the URL and view it in their browser.

if your Mac is on a full-time connection to the internet, and you don't have any firewalls in the way, you can simply send your client your IP address and use the built in web server software built into MacOS. No FTP transfers involved, then, but you will be serving your graphics files off your machine.

tm311
02-20-2001, 11:57 PM
Yes i am really only intending on getting layout approval, we pretty much use the same colors for this client over and over again, but your point on color space is one that i didn't take into consideration. We just bought some new color management software last week so i intend to be spending the next week or so figuring it out. Thanks for giving me the idea of creating ICC profiles of certain clients monitors for those times when i get scans in from them and wonder to myself....."what kind of mushrooms were these guys using when color correcting THIS scan*L*

Louie
02-21-2001, 02:51 AM
Most ISP's give you a few MB's of server space for a "home page". If you don't expect many hits, turn that into a simple FTP site. The client can view it in his browser or if you trust him with a password, he can download it with an FTP client.

mactheripper
02-22-2001, 04:24 AM
This is what happens when a bunch of hardware geeks try to answer graphics geek questions...

If I understand it correctly, you want a quick way for a client to look at a visual of a layout/mockup without necessarily having perfect color fidelity (like you would if you were talking comps or final approval).

The easiest way to do this is to get a web account, either from a free space provider (like angelfire.com) or a pay-for-it ISP (like EarthLink) that lets you ftp files to your web space. You then use Anarchy/Interarchy/Fetch (available at download.com) to upload to your space, then give your client the URL of the picture in http form so they can view it in a web browser.

This assumes a few things. 1) Your files/mockups are not huge. Say, under ten MBs. 2) Your connection speed is fast enough to whip around these sub-ten-MB files. Say, faster than my crappy modem. 3) You know how to construct the URL in http form so that your client can see the picture.

Some specifics: 1) jpegs can be viewed directly in a browser, and suffer no color loss, since they are encoded in 24-bit color (millions). There is no inherent loss or shrinkage of colorspace involved in uploading them. They do, however, suffer some data loss due to the encoding algorithm that reduces their size. To put it another way, they get a little bit rough/patchy in areas of gradual color transition. But as long as your client's machine is set to display millions of colors (doubtful if it is a PC) they will see all the pretty colors. Fine for layout approval.

2) PDFs, on the other hand, cannot be viewed directly in a browser without a free plugin that usually gets installed when you toss Acrobat Reader on your computer. If you have it, viewing is seamless. If not, your client would have to download the .pdf file via ftp, then open in in Acrobat. Not exactly as nimble. Also, PDF files with graphics tend to be pretty big, so that means a slower up and download.

In summary: unless you want to serve them off your own mac, like magician pointed out, I'd recommend ftping .jpegs to your web space and letting your client view them in their browser of choice (IE for either platform). If you need help understanding URLs and how to correctly parse them, reply or email me. Good luck.

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tm311
02-22-2001, 07:57 AM
I have tried with no luck to view images i have loaded to our FTP site with a web browser, so i must be doing the http thing wrong.....could you point me to a place that explains this or let me know what i am doing wrong. I would have to use pdf's as everything is coming out of quark. Running them off my mac is not really an option as we are still in the modem age here in vermont!

Louie
02-22-2001, 02:45 PM
Dookie has said the same thing that I said. It just takes Second Lieutenants longer to say it.

I've set up two such sites for my wife's pictures for eBay listings. Here's one:
http://home.midsouth.rr.com/reecie/ . It shows to the public as http, but you manage it using an FTP client such as Interarchie or Fetch (uploads, downloads, deletions, Directory changes, etc.). Here's another, just started. http://www.concentric.net/~Lgberry/ .

These are free from ISP's and they have instructions on how to set them up. Their words are for "home pages". Instead, you put up a pub_index.html in lieu of a home page.

[This message has been edited by Louie (edited 22 February 2001).]

mactheripper
02-22-2001, 09:49 PM
Sorry. I get long-winded when I don't talk all day. I took over a 170-person flight yesterday, and I'm doing crossover training with the outgoing Flt CC. Lots of listening.

It sounds as though you have an ftp site, and you are uploading fine. However, it is not automatically possible to view images/pdfs in a browser from an ftp site. The server must be configured to serve the files over http, which is a protocol. ftp is another protocol. People will be able to download them, but not look at the files until they have downloaded and opened them in the browser.

That is why Louie is using a server set up by someone else. It allows him to upload via ftp, but also for me to view his pix over http. You have two options: 1) reconfigure your server to serve http as well as ftp, or 2) get an account from someone free like Louie's provider, and use it like he is. I would do number 2. Be like Louie.

Louie
02-22-2001, 11:05 PM
"Set The Example" is one of the Principles of ___________? Dookie?

MacMikester
02-23-2001, 12:24 AM
jpegs can be viewed directly in a browser, and suffer no color loss, since they are encoded in 24-bit color (millions)
Not true, two things are happening to the color (besides any original loss in the compression step):
1) the layout designed in a CMYK colorspace for printed media is being reproduced in the RGB colorspace of a monitor (some CMYK colors are not possible in RGB) and
2) the original colors are being approximated by the browser with a very limited 256 color palette.

tm311
02-23-2001, 08:47 AM
MactheRipper: yes i do have an ftp site and yes i can load images to it and yes i can take images off it...so now do i just call the guy who is hosting the site and have him configure it to allow HTTP viewing as well? the site address is ftp.vtimaging.com and if you go to this address via your browser

ftp://fast:@ftp.vtimaging.com//home/fast/

and type in: ch33s3 you can see all the folder but you can't go and view the images in the outgoing folder.

Louie
02-23-2001, 01:27 PM
The ISP's home page should have the instructions and you do it yourself. There should be a button to activate your space using your identity and password.

mactheripper
02-23-2001, 11:35 PM
Louie: "Leadership?" Did I get it right? Did I?

MM: 1) the layout designed in a CMYK colorspace for printed media is being reproduced in the RGB colorspace of a monitor (some CMYK colors are not possible in RGB)
There's no loss when going from CMYK to RGB, since the RGB colorspace is bigger. All CMYK colors are possible (and viewable) in RGB, but the converse is not true.

2) the original colors are being approximated by the browser with a very limited 256 color palette.
This is only the case when the client's machine is set to 8-bit color mode (256 colors). Only then does the web browser constrain the images to the 216-color web pallette, or the 256-color arbitrated pallette on a Mac. If the computer is set to display 16- or 24-bit color ("true" color), the browser can use more colors. To see this, open a jpeg in a browser, then switch the monitor color depth. I mentioned that the client would have to have greater than 8-bit color.

Lastly, it's only for layout, not comps. In a pinch, 256'll do ya.

tm311: Yes. If he knows how, that would be the simplest for your client. Although, I was able to view the pictures using IE 5 on a Mac just now. Those are some sweet ladies in the pix. btw, IMHO, you could make the MSP text stand out more with some soft drop shadows or channel effects. As cute as your subjects are, you need to be able to read the URL.

Louie
02-24-2001, 12:04 AM
You did it Dookie; Leadership is the answer. You may take liberty from Sat noon till midnight Sunday.

I don't know about Dookie's No.1, but I wholeheartedly agree with No. 2.

Who are these ladies that you are viewing. Do you two have back channels?

MacMikester
02-24-2001, 02:14 AM
Beaten into submission I am, but just happy to be here. The Ripster's right on all accounts. Using the "websafe" palette is just a way to ensure color fidelity when you have no idea whether the image will be viewed in 8-bit or 32-bit color.

tm311
02-24-2001, 09:07 AM
We only put the MSP test over the picture as a generated watermark...this way the people viewing the pictures can't download the image and print it themselves. That particular buisness is a resort ski area where we take portraits and sell them in the store and online....the webaddress for that is skiphoto.com. And yes we get some nice looking young ladies from time to time....The part of the buisness i'm trying to figure out this FTP thinG has nothing to do with the ski photo's...we are also a print house and design firm and part of what we do is make huge posters showing various real estate marketing stuff...and its tough to get the pdf's small enough to email(under 2 megs...) so we thought we could come up with a way to post them on a web site for viewing. All of your help is very ....well.. helpfull*L*(not enough coffee to spell appreciated)

magician
02-25-2001, 01:43 AM
ok....look. You know how you upload a picture to be displayed on your website? Do the same thing, but for your customers. You can even just set it up on your existing website, but make a new directory just for this stuff.

MM, don't feel bad. Dookie has spanked me, too.

and yes, Dookie, I am bowing in your general direction as one who is not worthy to discuss the arcana of color palettes in your company.

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mactheripper
02-27-2001, 12:37 AM
Once again, I give all the credit to my reference books. Usually, it's the Book of SCSI Vol 2, but this time it is the Photoshop 5.5 Bible (http://) by Deke McClelland, possibly the most knowledgeable Mac graphics expert on the planet. Thank you for the compliments.