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rwm
02-17-2002, 12:13 PM
Well I decided that $400 more bucks was just too much for the superdrive. I can buy one for that now or half that in a year if I ever have the need for it.

I semi-fast talked a salesman and got him to put this together for me. A QS 733 384 Megs RAM, the stock 40 gig 5400 rpm HD, AND an IBM 60 gig 7200 rpm drive. Should have it later next week.

I have more room/storage than I can use up at this point or even think of using. I plan to use/play/test/get the bugs out with the 40 gig. After happy I will change - transfer the setup over to the 60 gig.

I have been reading the partitioning points of view. I believe in partitions and with all this storage am thinking of something like this... More than I believe in but what the hey... I am thinking to give something like this a try...

1. 1-2 gig for OS 10.x
2. 1 gig for 9.x
3. 1 gig scratch - this is way to big right? What does everyone else use the scratch area for and whats a good size.
4. 5-10 gig applications
5. remainder storage.

Re reading another post it might be better to put OS 10 on half and OS 9.x on the other half or whatever percent. I need to keep my OS 9 and OS 10 data files separate right? Or until everything is upgraded and working good with OS 10.x AND Do the IDE drives not like partitions?

Please give me some comments on settings things up - partition sizes/order, things to watch out for, anything... Why and why not? I am NEW to the G4 series been living with my 7500 and XLR8 G3 400MHz upgrade.

I have ordered another 512 MB RAM from GURU's and a Linksys router so I can connect my 7500 with the new QS. - I'll make other posts regarding the router issue in networking.

I don't even know how the drives will come. What should I format or reformat them with or should I? I have SoftRaid from my Miles/Cheetah combo but ended up using Apples Drive Setup because I had some problems. opps you don't mix SoftRaid with IDE do you? http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Well that should get me/us started on some issues. I want things set up RIGHT, I have lots of time and storage so I want/will take my time and get it working right.

Thanks for any input
Randy

[This message has been edited by rwm2 (edited 17 February 2002).]

wingman
02-18-2002, 03:15 PM
Just a comment or two about X. You might want to leave the Apple/OS X installed apps where they are. The updaters/installers will look for things in specific places; if they're not there, they won't get updated or installed. I think the stock X install is around 1GB.

Any other apps you install can go elsewhere. Whether you want it on a dedicated Application partition or say stuck in your Users folder is entirely up to you.

Data for 9.x and X need not be kept on separate partitions. You can put it all on one; at least that's what I do. For X, I moved the entire Users folder to my data partition -- but really space hungry things, e.g. mp3, media, don't reside there. To move the Users directory, I followed the 4 line terminal commands listed on Mike Bombich's site (http://www.bombich.com/mactips/index.html). I think in the X Gurus forums you'll find some other ways.

If you're planning on using iMovie or even FCP, DV will eat the 60GB HD in no time. I'd recommend using the 60GB as a dedicated media HD if you're using either of those.

Scratch, mine's bigger b/c I use it for PS, browser caches, and downloads.

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rwm
02-18-2002, 03:47 PM
Reading the Fourm post/thread "Why partition?" it answers most my questions along with a little prior experience. G4's and OS 10.x are brand new to me - never seen 10. I am in no hurry - So using/testing things out on the 40 gig drive till I know - what to do better. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Then do clean installs.

Put all of OS 9.x on the 40 gig rpm? And the OS X on the 60 gig 7200 rpm?

I think I should split a drive. OR go 60% OS 10 and 40% OS 9.1 - Better ideas. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Keeping those applications - in applications makes sense. How about putting all of my apps in there? and leaving

Still confused about how big to make just a "system partition" - and I know storeing apps there also would force me to make it bigger if this is even a reccommended practice. In my 7500 G3 400, I made it 2 gigs and have Netscape, iTunes and some other small apps and I still have over 1.5 gig left.

I need to read these links on changing directories... sounds like very good stuff to know.

Heck I'll just start playing ... I am going to wipe em clean at sometime and do clean installs. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Randy

[This message has been edited by rwm2 (edited 18 February 2002).]

rwm
02-19-2002, 02:40 PM
When people refer to spliting/halfing a drive say to put 10.x on one and 9.x or for what ever reason.. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

When you say "partition it in half" how/what - or do you mean just partition it in hald or 60/40?

Then once in half proceed with further partitioning? no no this is wrong I thought.

You can't go back and do further partitioning can you? I thought things had to be set up from First to last partition and thats what you get?

Please fix me up on this...

Thanks guys
Randy

gmidd
02-19-2002, 08:28 PM
In Apple's Drive Setup you establish all your partitions at one time for that particular hard drive selected. You have the options of making equal-sized volumes from 1 to 8 I think it is, or a combination of individually custom-sized volumes.
It's probably important to keep in mind that the speed of each partition on those IDE's in a multiple-partition format decreases as you get towards the center of the disc. Put another way, your fastest partition will be the first one which is on the outer part of the disc...

If I had your setup, I'd probably try putting my system folders and apps on the larger, faster drive, and my documents on the other drive and keep the partitions to a minimum.


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rwm
02-19-2002, 08:57 PM
Yes I know the first one is faster - So putting 10 there does that make sense? A 1-2 gig partition? Then a Gig for 9.x and a few storage areas.

Where and how large large would you put the "scratch" partition - planned use for storage for writing CD's, small movies 100MB or smaller?

It will be easier when the machine gets here - reading about 10 confuses me. I'll plkay then - reinstakll new.

Just trying to avoid the common headaches out the first time. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Randy

gmidd
02-20-2002, 02:48 PM
Hi Randy-
It always seems to be tough figuring out this partition business- there never seems to be one right answer! http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/eek.gif

I should think if you're not doing much big-file graphics, then you probably wouldn't need a big scratch disk- or placed in the fastest position.

As for the rest, here's what I might try: rather than split up 9 and X, why not install 'em both with their original apps on the large drive with no partitions.

Then I'd put all my documents and the Users folder of X on a huge first partition of the smaller hard drive, as discussed in various threads here recently. Make that first partition 30G, and assign the remaining 10G partition as your scratch disk and for storage.

Then I'd think about making an emergency boot disk containing 9 and all your utilities. I don't know enough yet about X as to whether you could make a custom boot cd for X, but in any case, if you have the installer cd's and keep backup copies of the update installers on your internal drives, I should think you'd have some protection.

This reflects my particular bias against too much partitioning, which I think can slow things down and make for an overly complicated set-up. I'm sure some of the other more-experienced folks here will have more to say about how you might want to arrange things.... http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rwm
02-20-2002, 03:35 PM
gmidd - Yes partitioning always stirs debate. I don't really want a lot of partitions either. I have only done it once and do see some benifit. I figure since I have all this room 40 + 60 gigs - make more partitions, why not, but then why what for. From what I have read I think keeping 9.x and 10.x on different drives or partitions is reccommended.

Many people say that the new machines are shipping with 7200 rpm drives even if sold as 5400 rpm. So if I get a 7200 rpm 40 gig and the 7200 rpm 60 gig - I think one OS on each drive is a good start.

Reading about X, 10.x makes me realize I need that machine in front of me - WOW lots to learn. I need the "hands on"

I will have it connected to my 7500 G3/400 with the 18 gig 10k SCSI Cheetah Drive. It will work good as backup. I will slowly move everything but the Audio off it.

Like I said earlier - Maybe I just need to get it here. Friday I hope. I will try a few things out and try to learn 10 better - when happy reformat all and start clean. I am set up just fine on my 7500 G3/400. So till I am happy and understand the new machine - I will make things a slow painless process - yea right - I hope. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks again
Randy