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magician
02-08-2001, 12:49 AM
we have just activated this forum to support IDE-specific questions of any kind.

we'll be adding more IDE-related pages to our site, as part of an overall site update, in coming days.

in the meantime, check out our first page (http://www.macgurus.com/shoppingcart/showrampage.cgi?idepagesofheck.html) in the forthcoming IDE Pages of Heck (as opposed to the SCSI Pages of DOOM, heh), and let us know your thoughts!

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geotime
02-08-2001, 08:10 PM
Hey magician
The IDE page certainly seems up to macgurus snuff. Pretty long, too! You might want to put a plug in for an XLR8 scroll mouse. One thing I was looking for was something about heat. I was asking about beige G3's yesterday elsewhere, and it ocurred to me that someone might be replacing the drive over the power supply in a beige MT. Being a SCSI boy myself, I don't know IDE from IDF. Even if it's not an issue, though, it might be worthwhile to say so...just a thought.

Also, I noticed that the VST FW link is gone from the gateway page. Are they being phased out, become problematic or some such? Just asking and passing along a little feedback.

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EGPoulin
02-08-2001, 08:30 PM
Sounds and looks good Mag, almost makes me want to buy some IDE gear, but photoshop (and my PowerTower) would never forgive me!

Rock on

~~~Eric~~~

PENDRAGON18
02-09-2001, 09:11 PM
Looks good. I hope that Seagate makes some bigger IDE/ATA Cudas. Those IBMs look prices vs. everything else, but then I guess they are supposed to be the best - for IDE. Strange that the VST card is the same price as the SONNET, yet the VST has softRAID. I wonder which is better?

I am glad you mentioned IDE cards format as SCSI - but you really did not say this. This could be a big point for a user switching a drive - say from the stock ATA/33 bus to the card or visa/versa. Also this SCSI emulation allows booting on most (all?) macs. Solutions for running IDE on vintage macs and successfully playing MP3s are to:
turn off VM (normally anyway)
set disk cach to 1MB or less (not so normal - unless you do video work)
reduce bus speed until the damn thing works. I heard of a report where an individual had to set his bus to 40Mhz - on a normally 48/50MHz system. http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/crossbones.gif
there is no guarantee this will work, but they can make for good/fast internal back up and data storage. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was wondering when you guys would get around to it. http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/cool.gif !

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Have fun storming the castle!

magician
02-09-2001, 11:17 PM
we do plan to phase out most VST products. EZQ is building stuff that may not be as pretty, but the cost is much better, and we're a little tired of how long it takes to get product from VST. I mean, we submit an order, and it's four weeks before stuff shows up. VST wants you to order big, and inventory, and carry a lot of stuff in inventory. Only numbskulls do business in high-tech hardware that way.

we'll be replacing some items they sell with direct from Iomega hardware. It's not perfect, but we figure we're all using Intech software to handle this stuff anyway.

we're also discontinuing the PowerLogix line. The bottom line in business is, you don't get paid until you ship. If you don't ship, you don't get paid. To some extent, that statement applies to both companies.

thanks for the comments!

we will be adding technical data over time....and emphasizing what happens when you try to move an IDE drive from a host adapter to a built-in bus is an important point to make.

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Mactacular
02-10-2001, 05:48 PM
So, according to the Gurus, are IDE setups any good? They are very very cheap compared to SCSI drives, and for the price of a single 9GB Ultra160 drive I can get a 30GB Maxtor drive and a VST UltraTek card. My favorite machine is:
PowerMacintosh 8600/200
200Mhz 604e/256k L2
304MB RAM
3Dfx Voodoo 3 3000 PCI + cooling fan
ADS 2-port USB PCI card
lowly stock 2GB Quantum Fireball.

What would you say I should invest in, because I still want to do A/V capture with my built in ports, get an expensive SCSI solution (Initio Miles2 + 9GB Seagate drive), or "el cheapo" ATA setup (VST UltraTek card + 30GB Maxtor) and keep the stock 2GB SCSI? And will I have to invest in a XLR8 ZIF carrier upgrade to still use my A/V ports, or will a cheaper Sonnet card cut it? Sonnet also is backing up their claim to future OSX compatibility upgrades with their upgrade cards...
Also, the IDE page looks nice, you'll just have to make a little "IDE from Heck" logo.

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magician
02-11-2001, 12:57 PM
we are working on the logo.

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Sonnet boards are not recommended for AV work, period.

in vintage Power Mac, IDE is not recommended for IDE, at least by us, period.

in an 8600, we will always tell you to go with XLR8, Miles2, and a Cheetah. Because that's what actually works.