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daniel
05-28-2001, 12:49 PM
hi, i purchased a 9500/132 upgraded with a powerlogix powerforceg3 366mhz porcessor card;now,after i started reading about upgrades here at the macgurus site(by the way,great site,i really like the way you explain how computers work) i was wondering if somebody could give me some information regarding the following questions:

1) about memory

at the moment i have 128 mb;i know memory in this mac can be upgraded up to 1.536 mb; is there any major difference in upgrading memory to the maximum in this particular model,or will i be ok by doubling the amount to 252 mb?

2)about processor and cache

i have a powerforce g3 366 mhz processor but the window for the processor info is xlr8 machspeed control???;the info is as follows:

system ram:128 mb at 45.0 mhz
processor : power pc 750 g3 at 359.9mhz
backside cache:1.0mb at 179.9 mhz

now, in the apple system profiler, the information regarding cache is as follows:

disk cache: 4096k???

then:

total L2 cache:
external L2 cache:512k
backside L2 cache:0 bytes

is there any difference between backside cache 1.0 mb at 179.9mhz in the xlr8 machspeedcontol window, and the backside L2 cache 0 bytes in the apple system profiler? and if there are,what are these differences?

after reading about the xlr8 and powerlogix processor upgrades recomendations here at the macgurus,i intend to upgrade to an xlr8 g3 450mhz,but i don't know if this will be of any benefit because of the 512k fixed cache of the 9500?

3)finally,are there any major differences between a 9500 and a 9600?i'm referring to non-upgraded machines,to the original models;how do they compare to one another?

thanks
daniel

M.Brane
05-28-2001, 03:47 PM
www.everymac.com (http://www.everymac.com) Stock specs for every mach. Apple ever made. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

magician
05-28-2001, 04:08 PM
ugh.

too many questions. I can answer one at a time.

the amount of memory you install should be based on what you do with the machine. For general use, 256MB is fine.

MacMikester
05-28-2001, 06:10 PM
It seems the previous owner was running the XLR8 MACh Speed Control software with the PowerLogix CPU upgrade, a good move on his part. For you, I would go to the XLR8 webpage and get the latest version of the software (v.2.0.2b7). This software will work with any of the other upgrades and works well.

The disk cache is set in the Memory control panel (typically, in that control panel, leave the setting at Default and it will select a percentage of your RAM to be dedicated to caching reads and writes from the drive).

Regardless of what ASP says about the backside cache on a third party CPU card, the XLR8 software is giving you the straight scoop.

Any of the G3/G4 upgrades including XLR8 will use software to disable the permanent L2 cache on your motherboard so the fact that you have this fixed cache is a non-issue.

Everything you want to know (and much, much more): http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/hardware/hardware2.html

[This message has been edited by MacMikester (edited 28 May 2001).]

Louie
05-28-2001, 07:04 PM
v2.0.2b7 is now v2.0.2.

MacMikester
05-28-2001, 09:45 PM
Thanx Louie. Gotta go snag that puppy myself.

daniel
05-29-2001, 11:23 AM
thanx a lot everyone, all my questions answered,(boy,am i excited about this site, i spend 75% of my net time in it) http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i'll buy two 128mb ram cards first

regarding the processor upgrade:

i intend to do audio with this machine,(i'll be using the digi001 and protools LE software);is the powerlogix g3/366 mhz cpu suitable for audio/video?

thanx
daniel

Louie
05-29-2001, 06:24 PM
A 500 MHz XLR8 would do much better.

magician
05-30-2001, 04:01 AM
agreed.

i would not recommend a PowerLogix board.

daniel
05-30-2001, 10:58 AM
thanx louie and magician

i thougth so; last question regarding processor upgrade:

i intend to purchase a xlr8 500 mhz; now which one would you recommend for the 9500: a G3 or a G4 upgrade? http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/confused.gif

thanx
daniel

mactheripper
05-30-2001, 12:53 PM
It depends on what you are planning on doing with it.

Since OS X (in my opinion) is not a viable OS to run on that machine, esp. if you have old peripherals, that argument for ultimate speed is gone.

If the apps you run are Altivec-enhanced, (Photoshop 5+, 3D apps), then the G4 makes sense. Otherwise, I'd strongly recommend the G3 500. You are assured of great compatibility with no hassle at an awesome price.

Spend the savings on RAM.

daniel
05-31-2001, 09:50 AM
thanx mactheripper, i'll purchase a xlr8 G3 500 mhz processor upgrade and two 128 Mb ram cards;i think this is a good start,and it will keep me happy for a while http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

now, i like to thank everybody for your answers and guidance;but before i continue upgrading, i have some questions regarding upgradeability in general:

1) should one upgrade according to what one intends to use the machine for, or by maximazing the upgrading capacity a machine can offer?

2)assuming that each model will reach a maximum upgrade state,what part of the machine determines this limit?

it took me about 3 days to figure how to put these questions,so i hope i don't sound to silly;

thanx everyone
daniel

Michael
05-31-2001, 12:15 PM
"thanx a lot everyone, all my questions answered,(boy,am i excited about this site, i spend 75% of my net time in it)"

where do you spend the other 25% of your time?
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in answer to your questions.....no, they do not appear stupid. actually, they are well thought out. upgrading only makes sense and shold be done in relation to what you are using the machine for. if you do simple word processing...net surfing... a little game play...then a CPU upgrade is viable. they're relatively cheap and will add renewed zest to an old machine...something like viagra to 50year olds....and adding more memory is always recommended..the more you have the better to a point. if you aren't doing digital video/audio/graphics then anything over 256 is probably redundant.

if you're not working with your machine it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend buckets of money upgrading......unless you have a lot of disposable income, don't smoke, gamble, drink or do drugs.....and are looking for a hobby.

serious upgrading is really worthwhile for professionals (i mean that in the working sense of the word) who have a lot of money invested in legacy gear and are short of change.....ergo...most musicians, graphic artists, videographers etc. upgrading enables them to maximize their investment, keeping their machines viable for a few more years. eventually of course, the law of diminishing returns kicks in and upgrading no longer is effective....mind you.. you may be one of those guys that likes to hack and customize..... if so see the rad hacks forum below to hear from those running in the same pack...
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magician
06-01-2001, 04:55 AM
when I'm not busy being an adult, I believe speed is its own justification.

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daniel
06-04-2001, 12:23 PM
Thanx Michael and Magician for you advice but in order to clarify my situation i'll be as brief as possible:

1)about what i intend to do

i intend to do audio at a professional a level as my budget will allow;(this is priority nr 1);i also intend to do video but not necessarily to a highly professional level,although i will go for the highest possible quality within my budget;

2)about memory upgrades

i'm clear about memory upgrades;here i intend to start with two 128mb ram cards;this not only will get me started on 256 mb of ram which is ok for audio,but also sets the basis to eventually exhaust this machine memory capabilities;this is in connection with:" the more the better to a point"...

3)about processor upgrade

i'm clear as far as the g3 vs g4 xlr8 issue;since i will be running macOS 9.1 the g3 seems to be a more viable choice for this machine, especially considering the present situation regarding g4 xlr8 upgrades and six pci slot machines; what i'm not clear about is the powerlogix upgrades;

why you do not recommend to mix audio and video with powerlogix?:uk

i do have a powerlogix powerforce g3 360 mhz upgrade in the 9500, and although i'm willing to upgrade to the xlr8 g3 500 mhz, one of the reasons i decided on the 9500/132 upgraded with the powerlogix, instead of a 9600/200, was it was upgraded;

would i have been better off purchasing the non-upgraded 9600/200?
what i mean is: is the 9600 vastly superior to the 9500?
in other words: is the 9600 a better candidate for upgrading?this is the reason behind the 9500 vs 9600 issue in the title of this mail

4)about upgrading in general

i intend to do some serious upgrading;although i'm not into upgrading for upgrading itself, (mind you, i don't dislike that idea),i like the idea of taking all the advantages a machine can offer and keeping it viable until it dies;however, i see computers as tools to expand on whatever interests one has, and certainly i don't see computers as a hobby;

5)about myself

well...i'm not a saint;i'm a professional musician, i don't have disposable income,in fact my income at the moment comes from driving professionally, and since most of my colleagues are not doing much performing either, a recording facility at home seems to be the best alternative,although it does not substitute performing...

what do i do with the other 25 % of my time? http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifwell, first of all, notice that i said, NET time, not all of my time;I'm going to be 48 next september, and I'm still functioning ok in most departmets,although i might have to consider viagra...,just for the quality,he,he;otherwise, i feel like a 20 years old http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

thanx
daniel

magician
06-09-2001, 02:44 AM
hi....I'm not certain what the questions were, exactly, in the last post.

can you please restate them briefly?

remember--short and sweet posts always get handled faster. It is always better to ask one question at a time and repeat several times than to write a book.

thanks.

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daniel
06-09-2001, 10:26 AM
Thanx magician, I'm a complete beginner in this world so please bear with me:
i purchased a 9500/132 with a powerlogix g3 350 mhz upgrade; i also have the chance to get a 9600/200; (not upgraded); i intend to upgrade the processor to an xlr8 g3 500mhz but i don't know wether i should keep and upgrade the 9500, or purchase the 9600/200 and upgrade the processor in the 9600 instead?

thanx
daniel

magician
06-09-2001, 08:46 PM
I would personally prefer the 9600, if only because of the vastly superior and improved case design.

the logic boards are the same, so there is no real benefit from that standpoint either way.

how much is the 9600? If it's cheap, or you can sell your 9500 to defray or equalize the cost, it's a no-brainer. If it costs $, then I would probably live with the 9500, which is an oldie but goodie, after all--but limited in terms of internal drive expansion potential.

hope that helps?

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[This message has been edited by magician (edited 09 June 2001).]

daniel
06-10-2001, 12:02 AM
thank you very,very much magician!!!

great, that is what i needed to know; i'll keep the 9500; now i want to start upgrading memory;i live in sydeny ,australia;i want to order:

2 128mb edo ram cards ; could you tell me how do i go about shipping?
i just want the items delivered normally by mail? is this possible?also can you give an out of work musician some discount?i intend to order an xlr8 g3 500 mhz in july;then raid hardrives etc.;but for this i need more information before ordering;what i'm getting at is:can we establish an ordering system for shipping and discount percentage?
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thank you very much
daniel

magician
06-15-2001, 03:45 AM
well....shipping down under is $40 via DHL International.

discounts are by quantity, starting at quantities of five.

you may want to wait until you can get everything you need at one time: DHL charges us based on weight, but we charge the same amount regardless, unless we're shipping an array. Then the price rises.

it takes about three or four days.

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billbo
06-22-2001, 12:24 AM
Daniel, I would recommend getting a copy of OS 9.0.4, because Digi doesn't support 95/9600's running 9.1

Also, http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=24 this link is very beneficial to new 001/AMIII PT's LE users.

You should also go to -> http://www.logicuser.net/extensions/browse.php3 to help you determine/make a "Strictly Pro Tools" Extension Set (Pro Tools requires much of your computers horsepower).

Another thing, if you experience dae error's of the -9XXX nature, you should try moving your digi card to the upper 3 PCI slots.

Lastly, if you go to the DUC and are confused/embarrased to ask something that you know you should know but don't, feel free to drop me an email.

Good Luck, and as a fellow 9500 guy (I agree about the 9600 issue, but I just don't have the resources to go and get one at this time) and PT's user, welcome to the world of digital audio on the MAC!!!!!!!!!!!

PS- I love this site and frequent it quite a bit, I just hope the moderators and guru's don't think I'm stepping on toe's when I throw in my extraneous digi and/or audio links. I don't want to be on anyone's wrong side here, because I hope to one day gain "member" status! http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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Bill

"I made a conscience decision in a semi-conscience state"

billbo
06-22-2001, 12:26 AM
I hope to one day gain "member" status!


WOW, I did!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Billbo
-When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro!!!
(HST)

daniel
06-22-2001, 12:06 PM
thank you very much billbo:

all the information you gave me is very very valuable ;i'll visit those sites you recommended and upgrade to macOS 9.0.4;i intend to use the digi001 and LE software in the 9500;

now regarding the 9500/9600 issue, i think i made the right decision because right now will cost me too much money to get the 9600, plus upgrades, plus all the parts to get the home studio running;this is my priority nr 1 now,although i must admit i would like to have the 9600 as well,but i'll sitll keep the 9500;

now regarding the PT digi001 system i'll keep you posted; i have to upgrade my ram memory to at least 256mb before i can run the digi001;that's what they told me at the shop where i bought it;

i feel very happy that you got your member status here with the macgurus, i really like the site as well;the information is very well presented and fun to read;great stuff http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ok billbo, hope to hear from you soon, i'll keep you posted about my progress with the digi;thank you very much for your contribution,i hope to be able to contribute myself in the near future;

regards
daniel http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif