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grunt28
01-23-2001, 04:26 PM
Hi
I run off of windows and am i whiz at it but the problem is that we just bought a second hand puter that is a MAC OS 7.5.1 (ya its as old as granny's panties) I need the mac to be OS 7.6 or higher to get an internet connection that i like. I have phoned everyone in the phone book and no one deals with MAC's around me, can i buy the software to update my puter myself, is it easy? and 'bout how much will it cost? and cuz its old will it take the update no problem or will i have to buy a whole lotta stuff so i can run it with out it doing funky stuff on me? I need some help and any would be greatly appreciated http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif)
e-mail me at Froggie__style@hotmail.com ( thats 2 bottom lines, not one)
Thanx a million

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 04:48 PM
OS 7.6 is not a free upgrade. You will most likely find a copy or two on eBay. What machine do you have, exactly? You might be better off (depending) upgrading all the way clear up to OS8. There are a lot of features and stability that the newer OS's have to offer, even in older machines.

the_anarch
01-23-2001, 04:48 PM
Hi- welcome to the wonderful world of Macs!

Let's start simple here. We should start with the question of what exactly you want to do with this machine. You talk about wanting to get an internet connection you like, do you want this to be a major online machine? That probably wouldn't be a problem.

Then we need to ask the question of exactly which model machine you have, and whether or not you want to spend anything on upgrading or not. Taking it to System 7.6 in and of itself shouldn't be a problem.

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[This message has been edited by the_anarch (edited 23 January 2001).]

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 04:49 PM
Ummm, good timing, Anarch. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the_anarch
01-23-2001, 04:56 PM
Jinx, buy me a Coke.

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grunt28
01-23-2001, 04:57 PM
ok its not my machine its my mom in laws and all she wants to do on it is play games on the internet - thats it,
when i pull up the "about this MacIntosh" it says
System Sofware 7.5.1
Apple Computer Inc 83-95
Power Macinotsh
Total Memory 1600 largest unused block 9,836k
system software 6,093
and Power Pc
i dont know wether that answers the question of model or anything, sorry, but all she wants do is play games nothin mkajor and she got it cheap so wouldn't mind havin to put a LITTLE bit of money into upgrading. i'll check out e-bay too
thanx

magician
01-23-2001, 05:07 PM
hmmm...I THOUGHT 7.6 was a free upgrade...but it is not, at a glance, in the Apple directory on our FTP site. You may want to check the Apple site and see if it is there.

it may not be free, after all. Which is weird.

[This message has been edited by magician (edited 23 January 2001).]

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 05:12 PM
What does the machine say on the front panel? Is there a model number?

Anarch, I will buy you a Coke when you come to my neck of the woods for MW NY this summer, OK?

Magician, I could only find the OS8.1, 8.5.1, 8.6, 9.0.4 and 9.1 updates on the FTP site unless they are somewhere buried. Those were all free upgrades, right? Now, if someone wants to upload it somewhere, well that is another story.

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 05:14 PM
Ooops. That's what I get for posting a reply before I did all the research. Apple messed up with 7.6 because most point releases were free updates, except for this one. I guess they figured with all the 7.5 updates, they had given us enough.

grunt28
01-23-2001, 05:16 PM
it says Performa 6200CD

I'll buy ya's both a coke, since i feel dumb and hve no idea what im gonna do.....and i have to do something quick cuz she's addicted and wont get off my puter!

Louie
01-23-2001, 05:17 PM
I think 7.6 had to be bought; 7.6.1 was a free upgrade. That is secondary right now till we know what model machine she has. A much more modern system may be better. Total Memory=1600 ?? 1600 what?

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 05:17 PM
I have a couple copies of OS 8, come to think of it. Apple original CD's. I almost forgot. I bought 2 Macs in the past year and the previous owners threw in the original OS8 CD's. If you want one cheap, email me. I will send it out to you ASAP. Then you can download the OS 8.1 update and make things a little stabler. That one, my friend, is definitely free and available here and tons of places.

[This message has been edited by Dogstarman (edited 23 January 2001).]

grunt28
01-23-2001, 05:22 PM
i just read that i have to update to 7.5.3 b4 doin another updating, like if i want to upgrade to 8, is that true?

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 05:23 PM
IN an effort to speak out of both sides of my mouth, read this.
http://www.lowendmac.com/tech/x200.shtml

And with (probably) 16MB RAM, you would benefit HUGELY from a RAM upgrade. This can be had rather cheap, but now it is more than a simple software install. Does it have an internal modem installed?

Louie
01-23-2001, 05:26 PM
The 6200 is a dog; a sucker's Power Mac; slow as watching the grass grow and not upgradeable. It has a 75 MHz 603 processor that will run the latest OS, including 9.1. OS 7.6.1 will probably be the fastest, but OS 8.6 would probably be the best compromise because of the better Open Transport, etc. It's essential to max out the RAM at 64 MB. OS 8.6 will have to be found and bought (or buy 8.5 and do the free upgrade to 8.6).

I have the right to speak of this machine badly because I bought two of the bastards!

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 05:26 PM
No, you can do a clean install of the OS from the CD. You can then trash your old system folder. All your other items will remain on the drive, but your entire OS will be junked and a fresh new one installed in its place.

grunt28
01-23-2001, 05:27 PM
AHHHHH Ok ty
so then my best bet would be to upgrade right to the OS 8 then right?
ya it has in internal modem
maybe i got the memory wrong, will check that again

Dogstarman
01-23-2001, 05:31 PM
Well, OS 8.5 is a <gasp> paid release. I have one copy and I like to hold onto one of each. Maybe someone else has a copy they will part with, or over to eBay. If you bought the 8.5 CD, you could do a clean install from that CD, as well.

Louie, sorry to hear about your Performa-ness. I had a 6320. Marginally better, but only really worth it for the AV ports and the remote.

grunt28
01-23-2001, 05:31 PM
ok i'll look into that OS 8.5 then
sorry about ur luck.....and mine now...........*big sighs*
ty guys so much

grunt28
01-23-2001, 05:37 PM
no one i know owns a mac.....thank god for them....checked e-bay and none there, but will check second hand puter stored tommorrow to see what i can come up with, its easy right.....just follow instructions or something? and upgrading wont impede on the performance?...even if it isnt that good already? i really have to find a guy that's computer literate...lol

Louie
01-23-2001, 06:19 PM
The 8.5 CD will upgrade to 8.5.1 and 8.6. Since you know nothing of Macs, there were a few 8.6 CD's sold. You would be better off with one of those. Whatever you do, don't stop with 8.5; it sucked. 8.5.1 fixed a lot of problems but 8.6 is one of the best ever. We'll keep an eye open for a 8.5 or 8.6 CD. Apple doesn't have them anymore.

PENDRAGON18
02-09-2001, 07:30 PM
no one i know owns a mac.....thank god for them....
I work with Windows about 5 days a week. I think god hates windows users... or maybe he just likes to see them frustraited? No offense but Windows (any version - maybe except 2K) is http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif !

checked e-bay and none there, but will check second hand puter stored tommorrow to see what i can come up with
I am shocked. Every time I go to Ebay there are at least several dozen attractive Macs to be had. Often the prices get a bit excessive, but with idiots paying thousands of $$ for Ultimate Online accounts what should you expect? http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


its easy right.....just follow instructions or something?
Yes, but they are still computers - with 'hidden' commands, undocumented features and peculiarities that all computers seeminly have. The Mac will tolerate much more than any Windows system, but there are certain areas that the Mac will freaq on. Not that I have ever found anything specific that will freaq a mac consistantly but they are not quite INSANELY GREAT... with X and a nice G4 - THEN you have INSANELY GREAT!

and upgrading wont impede on the performance?...even if it isnt that good already?
Only if it crashes like a GeForce256DDR on an AMD board. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

i really have to find a guy that's computer literate...lol
Yes, the quest for intelligence is long and painful, fair well.

Louie
02-09-2001, 07:58 PM
P18:

I've lived a long time; done a lot of things; had an extensive education; and, for the life of me, I can't understand the purpose of your last post.

I'm going to leave it in place until the other administrators and moderators have had a chance to see it. Then I intend to delete it.

From now on, confine your posts to something that has redeeming value.

PENDRAGON18
02-11-2001, 04:04 PM
I think the post is perfectly fine... I am simply sharing my experiences and views. I been around computers for a long time and I've heard a lot of junk from both sides of the personal computer 'camp'. I think it can be difficult to find good adivce about computers and technology in general - hence the search for good advice (intelligence) is difficult. It is a good thing we have sites like this and XLR8yourmac.com to help. I know I have benifited form both . I am in no way attempting to imply I am an expert or know it all. I am actually distrubed by your comments. They do not seem rational at all. Maybe you have no lived long enough? http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Sure I'm opinionated... arent we all?

Macs are great but they are not perfect, yet. I think a year after X is released and all the kinks (if any) are worked out and all the software and hardware is supported (really supported) then it will be about as close to perfvect as it can get. I love my macs and also use Windows NT (not tested?) 5 days a week. I can honestly say I do not like it. Is hate to strong a word? There are many more Windows 'experts' and often they can come off like they know something about the Mac, which is reality they are only spouting x86 dogma or marketing. I like the fact that this user is interested in the Macintosh platform and hope that his purses his interest further based on real merits.

I think if you look at any of my posts on this forum you will find that they are informative and even occasionally insightful. If I think I have something relavent or even humorous to contribut I often do. Maybe you got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?-)

mactheripper
02-11-2001, 04:32 PM
PD18, I think what Louie means is that your post not only contains no information related to the technical discussion at hand, but is also long. We don't expect every single post to be 100% on-topic, but when possible, we ask that posters responding to a user's question try to stick to technical facts, personal experience, and references for further research.

The best place to post ideas and opinions for open discussion is in the Forum Talkback section. Alternately, sending email directly to a user to discuss matters privately is an option, though we don't recommend sending unsolicited emails to people you don't know.

That said, we definitely value the comments and continued support of all users of these forums, and acknowledge that without the humor and human interest that exists here, it wouldn't be MacGurus. Thanks.
- MacGurus Web Support Engineering

Dogstarman
02-11-2001, 04:55 PM
In an effort to do as the gods of this great place wish, I will simply ask:

Grunt, any luck yet? It's been a few weeks and I, for one, am curious as to the resolve you have found.

Louie
02-11-2001, 05:14 PM
P18:

Would you correct your comment, "Maybe you have no lived long enough?" so that I can tell if you meant, "Maybe you have lived long enough" or "Maybe you have not lived long enough". We may have a very serious problem here that needs more correction that I anticipated.

If you would list your email address as you should, I could deal with you without subjecting others to this.

grunt28
02-11-2001, 07:34 PM
Dogstarman:

Bought a new puter and sent the old one back, sorry for my ignorance about mac's but i am seriously clueless with them. Thanx for askin tho http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


And my statement about mac's still stands : No one i know owns a mac- thank god for them - i was so frustrated and and spent alot of time on the puter doin research about them and just keep coming to loose ends, and i am a very a patient person and enjoy learning different things, that statement was my opinion - which i am entitled too as u are entitled to urs ( whomever didnt like what i had to say)

But on the brighter side of things..... Thank you guys ( Dog and the annarch) for all of your help, i greatly appreciated it http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

have a nice day
Grunt

Louie
02-11-2001, 09:54 PM
P18:

Since you haven't given us your email address and haven't clarified your statement as I asked in my last post, I suppose that I have to make this public.

Your "I think the post is perfectly fine" is impertinent. You missed the class on discipline somewhere along the line. It doesn't matter if you felt it was fine. I am the one that was appointed to judge that, not you.

Your comment stating that my post was irrational is completely out of line as was the one about the wrong side of the bed.

The statement that I asked you earlier to clarify could be looked upon as a threat. Threatening me is not something that you want to do; I promise you.

We have a great forum here; probably the best, and it has a very low signal-to-noise ratio with very high fidelity. You have a lot to offer but your methods raise the noise level. You're not here to prove to yourself and everyone else how much you know about computers. We are all here to learn and help.

We have had only one other member who chose to violate rules and backtalk the moderators. He is long gone.

Now, you can get your act together and play by the rules and learn not to insult me or anyone else on these forums or you're gone too.

crazyeights
02-12-2001, 12:14 AM
Hi gents, my 2........ Moderators, if inappropriate, feel free to delete.

I think there is something for everybody here, but if I see that someone with a problem is already being attended to, I think it is just a courtesy to defer to the Gurus Moderators, unless there is something specific which merits response to the particular problem, or I can respond at the level of my certainty that info I share is accurate AND not in conflict with what the MacGurus are trying to communicate.

That said, my knowledge base doesn't have me adding very much relative to the Gurus. When I do chime in, it is usually to iterrate something I've learned from the MacGurus, or just "getting someone started", if I know part of the answer. I am grateful to have such a wonderful resource, and have come to have a great deal of respect for the knowledge, dialog, character and humor of the Moderators and Members here.

I too have had a lot of fun and learned much on this site, and I have been told to cool it on certain topics, and to keep things "on track to the purpose" of this site. I am a guest here, so I concurred and moved on, only to learn even more.

I think as guests, we have to be considerate of the Macgurus site purpose, and the needs of those users who are in trouble and don't just want opinions but want HELP!!

I am reminded in this thread, to be considerate of what is good ettiquete......and if I butt in, or am outta line, you moderators are more than welcome to kick my little cyber-ass.

c8

magician
02-12-2001, 02:35 PM
ok. Cease-fire.

let's all just have a beer.

P18, do me a favor and indulge Louie. He's just trying to keep things lean and mean and short and sweet here, that's all. It's nothing personal.

Dave, it's a good thing you don't live here in DE. We'd probably spend way too much time at the bar.

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Michael
02-12-2001, 03:27 PM
amen!
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crazyeights
02-12-2001, 03:32 PM
Heh heh, if you only knew............

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magician
02-12-2001, 09:18 PM
don't come over here! My wife will kill me!

crazyeights
02-12-2001, 09:36 PM
Are you in the doghouse man?.....or just spending too much time down at the old barber shop?

I think you know this, but it is Valentines Day on Wednesday, you could always go all out to communicate those sometimes difficult words the woman folk LOVE to have conveyed.........."that was a great piece of chicken honey!!!" Oh no, I mean the other one, the "L" word.........(gulp)....!!!

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magician
02-12-2001, 10:09 PM
nah, just working too much lately. It'll pass.

Weds. Man. Thanks for the reminder!

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Michael
02-13-2001, 11:16 AM
v-day is too commercial. she'll be expecting something. sounds corny but try flowers. better yet, surprise her with a poured hot bath, bubbles, candles, chilled chardonnay or champagne and you, buck naked!

mmm
on second thought....maybe dim the lights.
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magician
02-13-2001, 07:36 PM
hmmm. I was thinking I would hand her a cucumber and smack her one on the butt on my way out the door to the Flyer's game.

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NOT.

Michael
02-13-2001, 07:57 PM
if you include batteries with that you just might pull it off, but of course you risk the chance of having every evening free from then on!
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magician
02-14-2001, 06:56 AM
well, I just woke her up nice this AM, and made her a little breakfast.

tonight, we have agreed to stay in and watch the Flyers. I'll order Chinese take-out, and clean the house. That, and a foot massage, should do it.

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Michael
02-14-2001, 07:56 PM
there's nothing to rival experience.
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crazyeights
02-15-2001, 12:04 AM
You're a good man Magician...........hope you and the bride had a great time together.

magician
02-15-2001, 04:07 AM
worked out just fine.

we both fell asleep half-way thru the first period of the game.

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