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Tylor
02-11-2001, 12:30 AM
Ok, I'm planning to get some new video cards soon. I want at least one that's primarily for 2D acceleration. 3D I have no trouble with, there's certainly enough data and opinions about those, but very little about 2D acceleration. I've heard the Rage 128s work well. Any other recommendations?

Dogstarman
02-11-2001, 11:24 AM
I had the opportunity to work with a dual monitor machine this weekend with a video card that I have been thinking about a lot...the ProFormance3. The other monitor (both monitors were Mitus DiamondScan 2020u's) was handled via 3dfx V5. I must say that 3D seemed to go to the 3dfx by only a small margin. I tried a bunch of his games on each screen. But 2D was easily handed to the ProFormance3. I know that 3dfx were never touted as 2D boards, but to see an "older" video card beat the heck out of a near-new board was a little shocking. Now I really can't wait to get my grubby mits on a ProFormance4. So that's my recommendation. I don't know how well this card would stack up against a Radeon or a nice GeForce.....but unless it turns out a lot worse than it is supposed to be, that is what's going in my G4 when I get it this summer. Check it out:
http://www.formac.com/2k/products/pf4_products.html

MacMikester
02-11-2001, 11:32 AM
Hey Tylor,

Check www.xlr8yourmac.com/video.html (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/video.html) for a comprehensive list of related subjects.
Basically ALL your current choices of cards are excellent for 2D (QuickDraw and QuickTime acceleration). Your choice will depend not on the basic functionality of the card but on your particular needs (AGP vs. PCI?, DVD playback?, Video in/out?, 3D/gaming?, multiple monitors?). Any card the Gurus endorse and stock will serve you well, backed by the best customer service you'll find anywhere http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message has been edited by MacMikester (edited 11 February 2001).]

magician
02-11-2001, 12:19 PM
for the fastest 2D, Formac, whether AGP or PCI, or Permedia 3 or Permedia 4. The Permedia 4 AGP versions are not yet shipping, but will be soon, including dual-headed versions. These make a lot of sense in some configurations.

for support for DVD, and the best 3D support, Radeon in either PCI or AGP form is the pick. It is not significantly slower in 2D than the Formac, but I do consider it the best all-round choice for most folks.

I must say I am a little disturbed by the lack of competition in this market niche. I would have felt a lot better about it if 3Dfx had not been acquired.

oh, well.

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Tylor
02-11-2001, 02:43 PM
Thanks for the help. Most of my 2D performance involves digital video and general display(Finder, Web surfing, etc.). Radeon does seem like a good choice so far in 3D. Can dual Radeons work?

One more question, what is Gurus opinion on the Wired4DVD card? I've heard many good reports about it, and was thinking of getting it for DVD playback, but I'd like your input as well.

Dogstarman
02-11-2001, 03:13 PM
Dual Radeons can work. But I thought you were looking for a primarily 2D card?

Wired4DVD is a great little card. The SW for it is updated at a fairly regular pace, but I hear that actual support for it is trailing off. If you are looking to buy dual Radeons and a Wired4DVD and a DVD drive, why not a new Mac? You are close to spending the same $$.

MadDog
02-11-2001, 03:22 PM
Are there any rumblings about NVidia cards being made for macs (outside of Apple) ?

Mad Dog


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Tylor
02-11-2001, 07:25 PM
I want a card for 2D, and probably dual 3D cards. The reason I don't get a new Mac, is because it wouldn't save me any money.

Beige G3 MT w/17" monitor cost me $1,100

I've added/plan to add these things so far:
2x 60GB Diamond Max Plus drives ($400)
VST ATA/66 card ($75)
miro DC30(I do a lot of digital video) ($250)
512MB RAM ($220)
Wired4DVD ($120)
Toshiba DVD/CD-R/CD combo drive($200)
2D card($200?)
2x Radeon ($450)
Magma chassis(for all the extra cards) ($500, off eBay)
Velocity MPe with dual G4s($1,000)

So that's about $3415 in extras. That totals out to $4,515 for a totally complete system.

Now, if instead I sprang for a new system to start with, here's what I'd end up with:

Dual 533MHz PowerPC G4
512MB SDRAM - 2 DIMMs
2x60GB Ultra ATA drive
Apple Studio Display (17"/16" VIS)
Zip 250 Drive
DVD-ROM drive with DVD-Video
RADEON card - 32MB DDR-RAM
RAGE 128 PCI card - 16MB SDRAM(I'll let it represent the 2D card)

Total: $4,248

Less so far. But some things that would have to be added still:

2nd Radeon ($220)
Analog-to-digital video(Firewire) converter ($400)
Magma chassis ($500)
CD-R/RW drive; Apple lets you have DVD or CD-R, not both. ($200)

That comes down to $5,568. $1053 more than starting with the Beige G3 and upgrading. Also, new G4s don't have sound in, so a sound card would add on even more.

Besides, it's fun taking my old G3 and cramming in all this stuff, giving it insane and totally unneeded power. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by Tylor (edited 11 February 2001).]

Dogstarman
02-11-2001, 07:34 PM
Hats off Tylor!!! Hell of a job with that compilation. So you are looking for a great 2D card an a couple 3D cards?

I keep looking at the new Macs as a plus. For me:Get a dual-headed AGP card and add in 1 more video card. Add in a good video capture card and a nice audio card. Then drop in an Ultra160 card. Not sure what all you are planning on cramming in there, but it seems like you got your head screwed on nice and straight, so have fun with it. http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Someday I will let go of my 9600 and get that new Mac. Til then, I am in the same boat as you.

I must say, though, that there is almost no great 2D card that doesn't also offer terrific 3D performance. It might be worth it to just get 3 good cards and standardize drivers and settings. Anyone else have thoughts about that lately? I know it was the source of some weirdness a while back. Not sure if it has cropped up lately. Might be something to consider.

Louie
02-11-2001, 07:38 PM
"New G4's don't have sound in" ? First I've heard that. Do you have a reference?

Tylor
02-11-2001, 10:44 PM
Oops, misread it. They took away the sound in port, so you have to use Firewire or USB sound devices.

magician
02-12-2001, 03:19 PM
I, too, gotta take my hat off to you.

I still like beige machines, myself. Maybe I'm just getting old, finally.

it's pretty amazing what you can do with a beige G3, especially when you consider you can get them for like $300 on eBay lately.

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