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ChrisYip
11-07-2000, 04:14 PM
Hi ...

Just a quick note - any way the info that was posted on the ATI Xclaim VR boards that you had on liquidation could be reposted to the WWW - it disappeared once the boards were gone but there was some info there that was (I think) of general interest.. In my case - how the heck to get video in working on that card...I think I need to reinstall something...

Thanks

PENDRAGON18
11-07-2000, 05:55 PM
Both my ATI-VR 'XCLAIM' cards need a 'breakout' box to get video-in. Its a small purple 'trapizoidal' box with various ins/outs. This does not always ship with VR cards and can run about $100, although you might be able to find one for $50 or so. The ATI-VR 16MB (ORION) 128bit did come with everything - i bought it HERE, new. I also got an ATI-VR 4MB/64bit card that came with my B&WG3/300. It didnt have everything, but I found a breakout box for cheap.

So that is the hardware side. The software side is you need the video digitizer installed - this should auto install with the 4.2x drivers. If you have a Umax (J700/S900) the ATI-VR needs to be in the top to slots. The bottom slots are connected by a bridge chip and the ATI-VR (video display + video capture) are also connected by a bridge chip (internal to the card) so this noramlly doesnt work.

What kind of Mac do you have?


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ChrisYip
11-07-2000, 07:19 PM
Hi...

This is one of the liquidation cards that the gurus picked up..I installed it into a G4/350 Yikes machine - the bus sees it fine.. It has an RCA TV in port that I popped a cable from a VCR into.. I'll dig around for the 4.2 driver and see if perhaps I don't have the video digitizer installed (I suspected that was the case since Strata VideoShop that came with my Interview system didn't have an video in options enabled...)

Thanks

Chris.

magician
11-07-2000, 11:47 PM
chris, just emailed a rescued snippet from an old version of that page.

posting it here would require converting the HTML.

http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ChrisYip
11-08-2000, 11:02 AM
Hi

Thanks - it works great now - I installed the 4.2 bit from the ATI site after digging around and finding an old 14" Apple monitor to pop on it.. Funny thing is that for some reason, when I reboot the computer, the monitor is sensed but doesn't get turned on - so I have to manually turn it on and off for the video signal to appear on the second monitor - no matter though - I'm going to toddle off and pick up a monitor (hopefully w/ the correct fitting for the Xclaim)..

Thanks

Chris.

magician
11-08-2000, 05:01 PM
it's always something....

http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ChrisYip
11-08-2000, 09:54 PM
Yup - indeed..picked up a monitor at the campus computer store and hooked it up to the ATI card.. video in, using StrataVideoShop (from the XLR Interview package) and we're off and digitizing microscope images of cells.

appreciate all the 'Gurus help...

Chris.

magician
11-09-2000, 12:20 PM
I love hearing about how customers are using the hardware they get from us.

http://macgurus.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

chmed
12-18-2000, 06:02 PM
I too would like to see the info again about the ATI XCLAIM VR card that I got from here awhile back. Is there any way to add a tv tuner? Also, does anybody know where to get the pinouts for the 7 pin mini din that they use for the video out?

magician
12-20-2000, 09:28 AM
sorry, I must have missed this post. I'll paste the text from that description here. Hopefully the HTML will render.

About the Apple/ATI XCLAIM VR Rage Pro Video Card



The ATI XCLAIM VR 4MB video card was included by Apple in some Blue and White G3 configurations sold in educational channels. It is a relatively slow 64-bit video card, but it does feature robust video I/O capabilities.



Apple TIL article 58314 (http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n58314) attests that this card can be upgraded to 8MB total by installing a standard 4MB 144-pin SGRAM SO-DIMM (http://www.macgurus.com/shoppingcart/showrampage.cgi?vram.html). We have done so ourselves and confirmed it. Upgrading enables the XCLAIM VR PRO to support improved 3D acceleration in specific applications which Apple does not identify (you can assume that games are included). The maximum supported resolution is 1280 x 1024, per article 24970 (http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n24970). MacGurus does not endorse this card for gaming. If you need low-end video input and output, the XCLAIM VR is a very reasonable compromise at this pricing. It is likewise a safe choice for supporting secondary or palettes displays.



The XCLAIM VR has an old-style Apple DB15 video connector on its backplane (as opposed to a standard DB15 SVGA), along with an RCA video-in port, and S-video input. If your display does not have a cable with an Apple DG15 connector, you will require a video adapter.



The output which appears to be S-video is actually a "TV Out" port which requires a proprietary ATI dongle which terminates in a standard RCA out and S-video out connector. Be careful! This port appears visually to be a standard S-video port, but close scrutiny reveals that it is not. The backplane of the XCLAIM VR, along with an accurate illustration of all ports, is depicted in TIL article 58314 (http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n58314). MacGurus does not at this time have access to this dongle, and it is not included. You may be able to acquire a replacement dongle directly from ATI.



Software drivers to support this card can be downloaded directly from the ATI website. You need the Universal 4.2 Installer (http://support.atitech.ca/drivers/xclaim.html). This card worked in all machines we tested in, including beige G3, blue and white G3, Sawtooth G4, and vintage PCI Power Macintosh.



The XCLAIM VR is a little slow, compared to Rage 128 (http://www.macgurus.com/shoppingcart/showrampage.cgi?mgvideoadapters.html) and Formac (http://www.macgurus.com/shoppingcart/showrampage.cgi?mgvideoadapters7.html) Permedia3 and Permedia4 boards, but it packs a lot of functionality, and at these prices, it is a certifiable steal.

magician
12-20-2000, 09:31 AM
ok...to completely answer all questions, it is possible to add a tv tuner to this card, but you have to get it separately from ATI, along with the special cable and dongle. I believe others have done so, and if memory serves, we may have even posted the part numbers elsewhere in this forum. A search should hopefully reveal it. If not, you will have to call ATI (email seems hopeless with them), and order what you require verbally, hoping that your operator can figure out what you need.

ChrisYip
12-20-2000, 09:44 AM
Hi...

Here's the link:
http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000026.html

I picked up the special TV-Out cable from ATI...

Chris

magician
12-20-2000, 06:16 PM
thanks, Chris!