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bif
03-08-2002, 10:45 AM
I would like to get a good (not great and certainly not expensive) video card for my 7500. I am running OS9.1 and currently have an XLR8 Carrier sporting a 350mhz G3 that was swapped out of a B/W G3. I have accumulated 512 MB RAM in the machine - overkill - and use it mainly for messing around converting my old analog music into digital, but every now and then I get a hanker'n to do some gaming - like too often. Can anyone recommend a good solid performing PCI card for video acceleration for a powermac 7500 that will support OpenGL. I'm not interested in spending too much but a would like a decent amount of video RAM. Thanks.

dragon_x
03-08-2002, 11:39 AM
a PCI Voodoo3 - 3000 (163Mhz VRAM/16MB) - this card is great for games like Unreal and UT or any game based of that engine. Its not as good as the V4 (32MB RAM 2xFSAA) or the V5 (64MB RAM, 4XFSAA). The V3 should run around $40, maybe less. The V4 would is worth about $50/60 and the V5 is worth about $75~ $90 IMO. I would be careful about putting a V5 in your machine as it uses a LOT of power. The V4 & 5 are mac specific, but the V3 can normally be flashed to work on the Mac.

The original PCI RADEON is pretty good too. You get better all around support - 2D, QuickTime acceleration, future support, 32bit 3D OpenGL and RAVE. The RADEON 7000 should retail for about $130. I have seen the original RADEON PCI for about $160 (its faster than the 7000, but only supports one monitor).

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thepickle
03-08-2002, 12:08 PM
Another note about the ATI Radeons - if you ever decide to run an unsupported OS X on your 7500, stick with an ATI or nVidia card. Getting the Voodoo's acceleration to work under X will *not* be easy, and at this point, IIRC, it's impossible because there are no drivers for it.

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rwm
03-08-2002, 11:46 PM
I have a 7500 with the XLR8 G3 400MHz and added a VooDoo 3/3000 and it really made my graphics GREAT. If you could find a VooDoo 4000 that would be great.

If your intro big graphic 3D games go at least 16 MB + The Voodoo card is good but will not work in OS X and drivers can be hard to find. Guru's have them ftp.

A barefeats review... good resource... http://www.barefeats.com/speedtests.html#3D

Good luck, Randy

9500MAN
03-10-2002, 10:01 PM
go for the original Radeon PCI or get your self a creative labs geforce 2mx PCI i herd they work out of the box WITH OUT flashing.

M.Brane
03-11-2002, 12:22 AM
All I can say is if you like UT and you don't plan on putting OSX on it the Voodoo5 is 'Da Bomb! http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/kickass.gif

Like the dragon said though: it really sucks the juice! http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/eek.gif

billbo
03-11-2002, 12:53 AM
M.Brane and dragon, there's so many variants of the "Radeon", what do you look for as far as model #'s go?

I am also in need of a new PCI video card, but I do need something that does good with Strata 3D (the "free", 3.0.2 version, I just can't afford the real deal with how little I use it) and ColorSync (for my artist wife).

I'm still debating OS-X or PPC Linux as far as future OS goes (am running 9.1 on my 9500 w/XLR8 G3/500), I like the idea of free so much more than having to shell out money (I'm a tight-wad, what else can I say?).

Just my curiosity in this topic I guess, since I only really know digital audio programs.



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ricks
03-11-2002, 02:12 AM
Bill,

I think they're talking about the PCI Radeon Mac Edition. There was only one mac Radeon for the PCI macs. I have one in my B&W, wouldn't trade it for anything newer, especially when gaming! Best card all around for Vintage macs and OSX friendly.

Rick

ChrisYip
03-11-2002, 07:30 AM
here's a link to the ATI Radeon list...
http://www.ati.com/products/builtdesktop.html

In terms of retail aftermarket - there are three Radeons..

the original one, the Radeon 7000 and the Radeon 8500.. (sigh - just like trying to decipher all the variations on the "Powerbook G3" theme..)

I have two of the original ones, and one of the 7000's..

Chris

ricks
03-11-2002, 11:05 AM
Chris,

I stand humbly corrected. I thought they dropped the Radeon name from the new 7000 and 8500 cards. Guess not.

Still wouldn't trade.

Rick

billbo
03-11-2002, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>ricks->Still wouldn't trade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the little I've read here about them, I don't blame you. So, if wanting one, I assume that eBay (and the like) is probably the only place you can pick one up, or does anybody know of some "un-known" wonder that might have a couple hidden on a shelf collecting dust?

billbo
03-11-2002, 06:55 PM
Anyone know any secret Mac dealers that carry the original Radeon PCI cards?

billbo
03-11-2002, 06:59 PM
Sorry about the double post all. I'm experiencing some odd Netscape behavior.

ricks
03-11-2002, 09:42 PM
Bill,

COuple places via yahoo:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/intcad/rad32mbpcica.html
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/z-computers/atirad32pcid.html
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/911forpcs/ati10rad32dd.html
http://r3.us.rmi.yahoo.com/rmi/http://www.bstore.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpbs/dropin.jsp/rmivars%3ftarget=_top?ProductID=3P262080

bif
03-12-2002, 09:44 AM
I have taken a look around for the various varients of the Radeon cards and am surprised that the older RadeonMac Edition is more expensive than the 7000 and 8500. Also, some of the retailers are confused about the AGP and PCI compatiblity, it would seem. OtherWorldComputing, for example, lists their card as being both, but I would hazard to guess that it is the AGP card and they are only listing PCI because the AGP machines also had PCI slots, but the Radeon AGP would not be compatible in a PCI slot such as the legacy macs have.
Anyway, why would the Radeon be preferrable to the 7000 or 8500?

ChrisYip
03-12-2002, 12:53 PM
Take a look at the review on xlr8yourmac.com - it talks about the lack of the Charisma engine on the 7000 and some other things that may be offset slightly by its ability to run dual monitors...

Chris

ICCAFSN
03-12-2002, 08:51 PM
Check out this forum I started http://www.macgurus.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000311.html where I asked what the fastest PCI video card is. Unfortunately no comparsions were made between ATI and 3dfx hardware, but there is some discussion about the Radeon PCI versus the Radeon 7000. That forum has a link to a great review done by Inside Mac Games where they benchmarked a Radeon 7000 to a Radeon PCI (Radeon PCI was faster) and also has some remarks about OS X being compatible for the Radeon PCI but not for the Radeon 7000 (at least for the time being).

P.S. Yes, the Radeon PCI is more EXPENSIVE than the Radeon 7000 (because it's a faster card), but it's definitely not more expensive than the Radeon 8500. First of all, the 8500 is an AGP card, not a PCI, and it kicks the ass off of either of the PCI Radeon cards. I'm not sure how much the 8500 is selling for but if you're seeing a Radeon PCI selling for more than an 8500, it's been ridiculously marked up. I got my Radeon PCI pricematched for ~$150 (not including tax and shipping) from MacWarehouse about 2 weeks ago (they're probably out of stock by now though).

[This message has been edited by ICCAFSN (edited 12 March 2002).]

ChrisYip
03-12-2002, 10:49 PM
As noted in other forum postings, the ability of the Radeons (7000 and original) to run OS X is somewhat machine dependent...

I have a Yikes 350 (now a G4/500) running OS X with a Radeon 7000, and I have a DA 533 running OS X with a Radeon PCI and an nVidia AGP with dual monitors - no problems at all..

Other Radeons are in 7300/G3 upgraded (or PTP 225) machines under OS 9.1


Chris